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From: Fabian Groffen <grobian@g.o>
Subject: Re: init.d in prefix.
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 10:29:42 +0200
On 15-05-2008 10:12:01 +0200, Markus Duft wrote:
> Hi
> I just fixed the openssh server for interix (yeehaa), and for the
> purpose of starting this whole thing without worrying about keys and
> such, I would have really liked to use the init.d script to fire it
> up. The init script still would require some eprefixification, but the
> bigger problem is, that runscript is missing in baselayout-prefix...
> Are there any thoughts in that direction?

Yeah, search bugzilla and the -dev list on gsoc prefix ideas.

> I can think of three scenarios on how services in prefix _could_ work:
> 1) all init.d scripts are run when entering the prefix, thus called by
> some bashrc script.
> 2) one single command is registered as a service in the host system
> (called the "prefix-service" or so *lol*), which kicks on all
> other init.d's from the prefix.
> 3) each service has to be started manually by running the init script.

All three have been discussed on -dev I think.

> Any thoughts about this? What about openrc? I must admit, that I right
> now have just a very shallow knowledge of all this... still I feel
> that sooner or later we'll need _some_ facility to run init.d scripts
> - even if it's manual only.

openrc is our only hope/option.  The bastard baselayout we have right
now is REALLY old (it dates back from the early dark ages of 3rd
generation Prefix, when vikings were still hyjacking packages and

> A little background on why I'd need this (I could of course do what I
> want without init scripts, but it would be more painfull): we have an
> automated setup for new interix machines in our company. Since we use
> prefix as the "real" system, and interix is just there to give us the
> very basics while bootstrapping (and the libc), it would be really
> cool to run sshd from prefix, instead of installing some binary
> version with closed-source patches applied (urgh...)

You don't have to expect any straw laid on your road from me (that
probably isn't English, but maybe you get the point ;) ), it is just
that I don't have the time/interest/need for it.  I do see a need for
it.  However, if you do start working on this, please be open about the
process, discuss, and take some of the bugs on it into account.  I
personally feel that the last thing we want with a thing like that is to
have a hacky "just works" solution.  Roy (UberLord) Marples already
added some stuff that we need in OpenRC.

I would prefer a single point in the system where you can "switch
on/off" the prefix init system.  That is, like for OpenRC when the
system boots or shuts down.  This need not to be related to the physical
boot/shutdown.  I think it needs to be a one-liner (a script, or a
command built into openrc, maybe just "prefix-init 3" or something
similar) that each user can hook in such a way that he/she prefers.  For
me it would be sufficient to start the stuff after I booted my machine
(every once in a long while usually), a sysadmin might want to make it a
/etc/init.d/prefix-init script...  Whatever.  I think the number of
tastes are unlimited here.  So let us just deliver the "magic button" to
start and stop the entire system (for the runlevel stuff, rc-update add
default bla stuff), and of course for many users
`${EPREFIX}/etc/init.d/postgresql start` will be enough, so they don't
need any automatic starting at all :)

Fabian Groffen
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