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From: Beso <givemesugarr@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-amd64@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] 3200+ -> X2 4000+
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:04:09
Message-Id: d257c3560706281100k659b53d2wf8710bd0e4188884@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-amd64] 3200+ -> X2 4000+ by Daniel Gryniewicz
1 2007/6/28, Daniel Gryniewicz <dang@g.o>:
2 >
3 > On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 18:45 +0200, Dieter Ries wrote:
4 > > Hi,
5 > >
6 > >
7 > > Hemmann, Volker Armin schrieb:
8 > > > On Donnerstag, 28. Juni 2007, Simon Cooper wrote:
9 > > >> whats with the NUMA stuff?
10 > > >
11 > > > nothing. If you only have once cpu with two cores, don't use it!
12 > >
13 > > What exactly does that mean? None of those :
14 > >
15 > > [*] Non Uniform Memory Access (NUMA) Support
16 > > [*] Old style AMD Opteron NUMA detection
17 > > [*] ACPI NUMA detection
18 > > [*] NUMA emulation
19 > >
20 > > Or should one use the emulation.
21 > >
22 > > And is it suggested not to use NUMA only on amd cpu's, or is it just the
23 > > same on core2duo processors?
24 > >
25
26
27 numa is a way of using the integrated dma ram controllers of amd64 cpus....
28 on intel systems they are useless if you don't have a lot of cpus....
29
30 > BTW, what is NUMA exactly? And when should one use it?
31 > >
32 >
33 > Intel CPUs don't do NUMA, only AMD cpus do. However, you need at least
34 > 2 physical CPUs to actually do NUMA, and you also need memory attached
35 > to each one. Most cheap dual CPU AMD boards don't actually have memory
36 > hooked to both CPUs, only to one of them. If your board has banks of
37 > ram (generally on either side of the CPUs) it probably does NUMA.
38 > Otherwise, it doesn't.
39 >
40 > That said, enabling NUMA on a non-NUMA box doesn't really hurt, same as
41 > enabling SMP on a non-SMP box.
42
43
44 of what i have experienced on my amd64x2 4800 i had little performance boost
45 when i used numa compiled.... for what i know on the amd x2 cpus every core
46 has its own l2 chache, its own 64bit ddr mem controller and a unique l3
47 cache.... i have learned that the numa helps the overall system performance
48 by using in a better way the integrated mem controller and not only by
49 working as you said, but i may be wrong.... the only fact that i've
50 experienced on my desktop is that i have a little perfomance boost.... it
51 may be due to the mb, an Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe AiLifestyle Series....
52
53 Daniel
54 >
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58 >
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62 beso
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64 d-_-b

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