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On 6/16/09, Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o> wrote: |
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>> On 6/16/09, Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o> wrote: |
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>> >> Even allowing the "~amd64" unstable series, this remains true. |
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>> >> Why is this so? |
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>> > |
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>> > Xorg? We have 2.6.2_pre . gcc? We have 4.4.0 . I dont know about perl :) |
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>> Xorg-2.6.2_pre? In some overlay, not main portage tree? (Don't care, |
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>> but that's my guess.) |
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>> gcc-4.4.0? Masked by both package.mask ("for testing") and ~arch. |
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> Of course. If you are an "advanced" user you can unmask them and use them. |
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> The ebuild is there, exists but for SAFETY reasons is masked. This is |
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> NOT ubuntu. |
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> Our main goal is not bleeding edge packages but working/stable packages. We |
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> dont want 20 bugs/package on bugzilla. |
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> Why is this so hard to conceive? |
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Sorry if I pushed you into defensive mode, that was not my intention, |
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but the terseness of the message possibly turned bad the tone in my |
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words. Pointing out the "state" of those two packages was meant to be |
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a lead-in into just this observation: |
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>> New users probably try to use emerge like aptitude or yum, and not |
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>> specify any versions. Thus, they won't even see most of this bleeding |
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>> edge stuff already available (just hidden behind these simple safety |
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>> valves), and might make the conclusion that "Gentoo is lagging". |
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So I didn't mean to say that, e.g., Gentoo (you, the devs) is is doing |
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it wrong. What I'm trying to say is that "Gentoo is different and it |
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easily bites the rear end of the new users". For example, IIRC the |
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default emerge printouts don't give you any indication that there are |
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actual later versions available (even just in the portage tree, let |
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alone in overlays which might not even be added locally). |
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Thus, especially new users are bound to be vulnerable into going into |
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this OP's wondering-mode of "wtf, I thought Gentoo was supposed to be |
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bleeding edge, yet now I have the equivalent of Debian stable". :) |
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Maybe some kind of small indication or hint of "later versions' |
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ebuilds present but using this older one" could be added to emerge's |
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printouts? Or has that been tried and found out to be bad? "Patches |
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welcome?" |
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