Gentoo Archives: gentoo-amd64

From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@×××.net>
To: gentoo-amd64@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: unsubscribe
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 03:24:12
Message-Id: pan.2011.06.27.03.22.01@cox.net
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-amd64] unsubscribe by Volker Armin Hemmann
1 Volker Armin Hemmann posted on Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:31:27 +0200 as
2 excerpted:
3
4 > On Monday 27 June 2011 03:26:59 Lie Ryan wrote:
5
6 >> Anyone noticed that this list have a higher than normal tendency to
7 >> bully those who tried to unsubscribe and failed?
8 >
9 > bully? No, make fun of people failing to follow basic instructions?
10 > Maybe. But not more than gentoo-user...
11
12 Exactly.
13
14 1) Instructions are in the headers of every post. A simple view-headers
15 is all that's required.
16
17 2) Instructions are available at the same place they signed up, using a
18 very similar procedure. It's not rocket science. If they could find and
19 had the intelligence to subscribe (and even verify their subscription,
20 the list IS double-opt-in, after all), unless they just had a stroke or
21 some such, they should still be able to find and have the intelligence to
22 unsubscribe.
23
24 3) Simple reason says that if it's a gentoo list, going to the gentoo
25 site and looking for the mailing list info would be an appropriate way to
26 figure out how to unsubscribe. Even if they somehow lost all memory of
27 the subscription process, simple reason remains the same, and indeed, the
28 gentoo mailing list info can be found on the site exactly as one could
29 expect.
30
31 4) In this case, all they had to do was read the thread from a couple
32 days ago, on the same subject. Simple netiquette has always expected
33 that people follow a list or newsgroup for a bit before they ask what may
34 well be a FAQ, and the same arguably applies here. They can't even read
35 the existing thread from the last person who apparently had a stroke or
36 something after he subscribed, losing all memory of the process, as well
37 as the basic intelligence to reason where he might find unsubscribe
38 instructions.
39
40 So what's up with these people, anyway? Do they simply not even /care/
41 if they do it right? They obviously have the ability to follow that
42 level of instructions or they'd not be subscribed in the first place, and
43 it's unlikely ALL of them are stroke victims! Are they deliberately
44 TRYING to look dumb? Maybe they just smoked too many mind altering drugs
45 and it's now /permanently/ altered?
46
47 So yeah, they do get a bit of fun poked at them. But along with that
48 fun, they usually get the unsubscribe help they're apparently too dumb to
49 find any of the /normal/ ways, or simply don't /care/ if they're
50 bothering people by not following the easily available instructions. And
51 if they don't care if they bother other subscribers, why should other
52 subscribers care about poking a little fun their way even as they point
53 them at the door? <shrug>
54
55 --
56 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
57 "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
58 and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman