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On 22-03-2012 13:42, redspot wrote:
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> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:03 AM,<gentoo-amd64+help@g.o>  wrote:
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>> Topics (messages 13110 through 13125):
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13110 - Frank Peters<frank.peters@...>
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13111 - Mark Knecht<markknecht@...>
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13112 - Frank Peters<frank.peters@...>
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13113 - Cheng Renquan<crquan@...>
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13114 - Mark Knecht<markknecht@...>
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13115 - Mark Knecht<markknecht@...>
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13116 - Frank Peters<frank.peters@...>
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13117 - Mark Knecht<markknecht@...>
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13118 - Paul Hartman<paul.hartman+gentoo@...>
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13119 - Barry Schwartz<chemoelectric@...>
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13120 - Mark Knecht<markknecht@...>
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13121 - Barry Schwartz<chemoelectric@...>
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13122 - Frank Peters<frank.peters@...>
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13123 - Barry Schwartz<chemoelectric@...>
>>
>> [gentoo-amd64] Re: Kernel-3.3.0 and Nvidia-drivers
>>       13124 - Duncan<1i5t5.duncan@...>
>>       13125 - Duncan<1i5t5.duncan@...>
>>
>>
>>
>> Linux-3.3.0 is released and, as is my usual habit, I downloaded and compiled
>> the plain vanilla source.
>>
>> After rebooting to the command console, and before starting X, I needed
>> to re-install the nvidia-driver module for the new kernel.  Doing
>> "emerge nvidia-drivers" gave me the following error (the entire build log
>> is attached):
>>
>>      
>>>>> Source prepared.
>>>>> Configuring source in /tmp/portage-acc/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-295.20-r1/work ...
>>>>> Source configured.
>>>>> Compiling source in /tmp/portage-acc/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-295.20-r1/work ...
>>>>>            
>> Preparing nvidia module
>> make -j9 HOSTCC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc CROSS_COMPILE=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu- 'LDFLAGS=-m elf_x86_64' IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1 SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux SYSOUT=/lib/modules/3.3.0/build CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
>>
>> *** Unable to determine the target kernel version. ***
>>
>> make: *** [select_makefile] Error 1
>> emake failed
>> ERROR: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-295.20-r1 failed (compile phase):
>>   Unable to emake HOSTCC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc CROSS_COMPILE=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu- LDFLAGS=-m elf_x86_64  IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1 SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux             SYSOUT=/lib/modules/3.3.0/build CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
>>
>> Call stack:
>>     ebuild.sh, line   85:  Called src_compile
>>   environment, line 3711:  Called linux-mod_src_compile
>>   environment, line 2668:  Called die
>> The specific snippet of code:
>>               eval "emake HOSTCC=\"$(tc-getBUILD_CC)\"
>>
>>
>> The first part of the build log (see attached file) indicates that the
>> kernel source was correctly found (at /usr/src/linux), but for some
>> reason the make process fails.
>>
>> Could this be due to some changes in the kernel-3.3.0 tree?
>>
>> Frank Peters
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Frank Peters<frank.peters@...>  wrote:
>>      
>>> Linux-3.3.0 is released and, as is my usual habit, I downloaded and compiled
>>> the plain vanilla source.
>>>
>>>        
>> <SNIP>
>>      
>>> The first part of the build log (see attached file) indicates that the
>>> kernel source was correctly found (at /usr/src/linux), but for some
>>> reason the make process fails.
>>>
>>> Could this be due to some changes in the kernel-3.3.0 tree?
>>>
>>> Frank Peters
>>>
>>>        
>> Possibly this from Google will help?
>>
>> Good luck&  post back,
>> Mark
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:35:34 -0700
>> Mark Knecht<markknecht@...>  wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> Possibly this from Google will help?
>>>
>>>        
>> Did you intend to include a link?  If so, it must have gotten
>> lost somewhere.
>>
>> Frank Peters
>>
>>
>> I have switched to nouveau driver, for over 1 year,
>> using with gnome3 interface, no performance issue, and quite stable,
>>
>> enjoying every mainline kernel 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, no building issue
>>
>>
>> I think it's time for everyone to give up nvidia-drivers, the blob of binary
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Frank Peters<frank.peters@...>  wrote:
>>      
>>> Linux-3.3.0 is released and, as is my usual habit, I downloaded and compiled
>>> the plain vanilla source.
>>>
>>> After rebooting to the command console, and before starting X, I needed
>>> to re-install the nvidia-driver module for the new kernel.  Doing
>>> "emerge nvidia-drivers" gave me the following error (the entire build log
>>> is attached):
>>>
>>>        
>>>>>> Source prepared.
>>>>>> Configuring source in /tmp/portage-acc/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-295.20-r1/work ...
>>>>>> Source configured.
>>>>>> Compiling source in /tmp/portage-acc/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-295.20-r1/work ...
>>>>>>              
>>> Preparing nvidia module
>>> make -j9 HOSTCC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc CROSS_COMPILE=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu- 'LDFLAGS=-m elf_x86_64' IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1 SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux SYSOUT=/lib/modules/3.3.0/build CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
>>>
>>> *** Unable to determine the target kernel version. ***
>>>        
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Frank Peters<frank.peters@...>  wrote:
>>      
>>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:35:34 -0700
>>> Mark Knecht<markknecht@...>  wrote:
>>>
>>>        
>>>> Possibly this from Google will help?
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> Did you intend to include a link?  If so, it must have gotten
>>> lost somewhere.
>>>
>>> Frank Peters
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>> Gadzooks, yes I did. Sorry!
>>
>> http://weltall.heliohost.org/wordpress/2012/01/20/linux-kernel-3-3-rc1-and-nvidia-drivers/
>>
>> To be clear, I have no idea if it will solve your exact problem. It
>> didn't for all.
>>
>> My experience with nvidia is pretty good if you give them a couple of
>> days, but very spotty on the first or second day a new kernel minor
>> rev is released. Nominally I use this page:
>>
>> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/indexsg.aspx?lang=en-us
>>
>> and then search out my specific card to determine what _exact_ driver
>> they want me to run. It almost always requires i run ~amd64.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Mark
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Cheng Renquan<crquan@...>  wrote:
>>      
>>> I have switched to nouveau driver, for over 1 year,
>>> using with gnome3 interface, no performance issue, and quite stable,
>>>
>>> enjoying every mainline kernel 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, no building issue
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it's time for everyone to give up nvidia-drivers, the blob of binary
>>>
>>>        
>> And how would one use CUDA if we gave up nvidia-drivers? Does nouveau
>> support all the CUDA stuff?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:35:34 -0700
>> Mark Knecht<markknecht@...>  wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> Possibly this from Google will help?
>>>
>>>        
>> OK, I think I've found the URL that you may have intended:
>>
>> http://weltall.heliohost.org/wordpress/2012/01/20/linux-kernel-3-3-rc1-and-nvidia-drivers/
>>
>> I followed the second fix that is described and now the nvidia-drivers
>> emerge and work nicely with linux kernel-3.3.
>>
>> Thanks for the hint.
>>
>> There are changes to the kernel-3.3 tree that will have to addressed
>> by the gentoo nvidia-drivers or other users will hit this problem
>> as well.
>>
>> Frank Peters
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Frank Peters<frank.peters@...>  wrote:
>>      
>>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:35:34 -0700
>>> Mark Knecht<markknecht@...>  wrote:
>>>
>>>        
>>>> Possibly this from Google will help?
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> OK, I think I've found the URL that you may have intended:
>>>
>>> http://weltall.heliohost.org/wordpress/2012/01/20/linux-kernel-3-3-rc1-and-nvidia-drivers/
>>>
>>> I followed the second fix that is described and now the nvidia-drivers
>>> emerge and work nicely with linux kernel-3.3.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the hint.
>>>
>>> There are changes to the kernel-3.3 tree that will have to addressed
>>> by the gentoo nvidia-drivers or other users will hit this problem
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> Frank Peters
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>> Glad you found it. That is the link I just sent along and good to know
>> it helped a bit.
>>
>> As I said, on kernel revision number changes I ALWAYS wait a minimum
>> of 3-5 days before trying to upgrade. nvidia always seems to need at
>> least a few days to catch up with a new release, or that's been my
>> experience in the past anyway.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Mark Knecht<markknecht@...>  wrote:
>>      
>>> As I said, on kernel revision number changes I ALWAYS wait a minimum
>>> of 3-5 days before trying to upgrade. nvidia always seems to need at
>>> least a few days to catch up with a new release, or that's been my
>>> experience in the past anyway.
>>>        
>> Same here, nvidia-drivers and vmware-modules are why I usually wait
>> until the .1 release on a new kernel series. :)
>>
>> Mark Knecht<markknecht@...>  skribis:
>>      
>>> And how would one use CUDA if we gave up nvidia-drivers? Does nouveau
>>> support all the CUDA stuff?
>>>        
>> I think they may have reverse engineered CUDA, but whether it is
>> implemented I don’t know, and I wouldn’t want to be the one to test
>> it, either. :)
>>
>> I’m donating processor time with boinc and that’s good enough reason
>> to use the binary driver if it gives me more processor to donate.
>>
>> (Waiting before installing anything new is painful, I know, because
>> with Gentoo you always feel like you want it to be doing something, or
>> at least that’s my experience. :) )
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Barry Schwartz
>> <chemoelectric@...>  wrote:
>>      
>>> Mark Knecht<markknecht@...>  skribis:
>>>        
>>>> And how would one use CUDA if we gave up nvidia-drivers? Does nouveau
>>>> support all the CUDA stuff?
>>>>          
>>> I think they may have reverse engineered CUDA, but whether it is
>>> implemented I don’t know, and I wouldn’t want to be the one to test
>>> it, either. :)
>>>
>>> I’m donating processor time with boinc and that’s good enough reason
>>> to use the binary driver if it gives me more processor to donate.
>>>
>>> (Waiting before installing anything new is painful, I know, because
>>> with Gentoo you always feel like you want it to be doing something, or
>>> at least that’s my experience. :) )
>>>
>>>        
>> I have no problem with you or anyone else running nouveau. None at all.
>>
>> I do have a problem with someone saying 'it's time for everyone to
>> give up nvidia-drivers' without demonstrating they know the full
>> impact of what they are suggesting. Had Cheng Renquan suggest 'Maybe
>> people who don't need anything other than basic X capabilities should
>> consider running nouveau' I wouldn't have even chimed in.
>>
>> And thanks for running boinc. It's good of you and good for you.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>>
>> Mark Knecht<markknecht@...>  skribis:
>>      
>>> I do have a problem with someone saying 'it's time for everyone to
>>> give up nvidia-drivers' without demonstrating they know the full
>>> impact of what they are suggesting. Had Cheng Renquan suggest 'Maybe
>>> people who don't need anything other than basic X capabilities should
>>> consider running nouveau' I wouldn't have even chimed in.
>>>        
>> Sage Notebook (sage-on-gentoo overlay) can use CUDA as well. I think
>> you don't have to worry that nvidia-drivers would go away; in the
>> worst case it would end up in a good overlay. That's unlikely IMO, and
>> would mostly likely be if there were an established alternative
>> implementation of CUDA.
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:40:34 -0700
>> Mark Knecht<markknecht@...>  wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> I have no problem with you or anyone else running nouveau. None at all.
>>>
>>> I do have a problem with someone saying 'it's time for everyone to
>>> give up nvidia-drivers' without demonstrating they know the full
>>> impact of what they are suggesting. Had Cheng Renquan suggest 'Maybe
>>> people who don't need anything other than basic X capabilities should
>>> consider running nouveau' I wouldn't have even chimed in.
>>>
>>>        
>> I think the main complaint is that the Nvidia drivers are closed
>> binary blobs while Nouveau is an attempt to create an entirely
>> open source driver.  The spirit of free software demands that we
>> support these open initiatives.
>>
>> Actually, until recently, I was very happy using the legacy open
>> source xorg nvidia driver known simply as as "nv."  It is still
>> available in Gentoo as x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv.
>>
>> Since I do not do gaming or other intensive graphic activities,
>> I could get by nicely with just nv.  However, the nv driver does
>> not seem to support the latest hardware too well.  On one of
>> my machines I have a card based on Nvidia GeForce 210.  Although
>> the nv driver works with this card, it does not enable the Xv
>> extension and consequently the graphic response is poor.
>>
>> On older cards nv does work quite well for ordinary purposes.
>>
>> Frank Peters
>>
>>
>> Frank Peters<frank.peters@...>  skribis:
>>      
>>> I think the main complaint is that the Nvidia drivers are closed
>>> binary blobs while Nouveau is an attempt to create an entirely
>>> open source driver.
>>>        
>> Unfortunately the nvidia drivers are needed not only for graphics but
>> also to use the GPU for scientific calculations, including for
>> donating processor time to medical research, for instance.
>>
>>
>> Frank Peters posted on Tue, 20 Mar 2012 00:03:06 -0400 as excerpted:
>>
>>      
>>> Actually, until recently, I was very happy using the legacy open source
>>> xorg nvidia driver known simply as as "nv."  It is still available in
>>> Gentoo as x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv.
>>>
>>> Since I do not do gaming or other intensive graphic activities, I could
>>> get by nicely with just nv.  However, the nv driver does not seem to
>>> support the latest hardware too well.
>>>        
>> FWIW, the old nv driver is legacy, now, and won't be supporting new
>> hardware.  AFAIK older hardware should be switching as well, for support
>> with current software, as nv won't be updated for that any longer, either.
>>
>> The same thing happened to it as happened to nvidia's proprietary network
>> driver some years ago; pretty much everyone involved, including the
>> distros that used to ship nv and nvidia itself, seems to have recognized
>> that the reverse-engineered work is now better than nvidia's basic
>> freedomware stub driver, nv, and nouveau has officially taken its place.
>>
>> --
>> Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
>> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
>> and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman
>>
>>
>> Barry Schwartz posted on Tue, 20 Mar 2012 01:20:13 -0500 as excerpted:
>>
>>      
>>> Unfortunately the nvidia drivers are needed not only for graphics but
>>> also to use the GPU for scientific calculations, including for donating
>>> processor time to medical research, for instance.
>>>        
>> My donation ends where their disrespect for human freedom begins.  (Over
>> a decade ago, back on MS, I used to run distributed.net.  However, they
>> don't have a freedomware client, or at least didn't back then, and while
>> I understand the reasons why -- someone cheating and saying they did the
>> work when they didn't, just to get the stats -- that didn't change the
>> fact that I wasn't going to run servantware.  But as they say, YMMV.)
>>
>> --
>> Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
>> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
>> and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman
>>
>>
>>      
>
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