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From: Dale <rdalek1967@...>
Subject: Re: Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted.
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:40:00 -0600
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Harry Holt wrote:
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  <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Dale <span
 dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:rdalek1967@...">rdalek1967@...</a>&gt;</span>
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    <div class="h5">Frank Peters wrote:<br>
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On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:04:52 +0000 (UTC)<br>
Duncan&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:1i5t5.duncan@..."
 target="_blank">1i5t5.duncan@...</a>&gt; &nbsp;wrote:<br>
      <br>
&nbsp; <br>
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&nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
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Stan Sander wrote:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
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&nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
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          <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
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addition to using grub-static, you will need to have the IA32<br>
Emulation enabled in your kernel, else you won't be able to execute<br>
grub at all. &nbsp;It's under file formats / Emulations in the menu.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
          </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
I think that's covered in the handbook, now, but posting's still good,<br>
just in case it would have been overlooked. &nbsp;FWIW when I first switched
to<br>
no-multilib, before I did the 32-bit chroot thing, I tried turning off<br>
that option in the kernel... and found I couldn't run... I think it was<br>
lilo I was running at the time, properly, so it's definitely worth<br>
remembering.<br>
        <br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
      </blockquote>
Lilo doesn't need the kernel at all. &nbsp;I have IA32 turned off and I use<br>
lilo to boot. &nbsp;There is no problem.<br>
      <br>
Unless there is some special requirement, most people probably use grub<br>
because of the "follow the leader" syndrome. &nbsp;Lilo is still quite
effective<br>
and also quite simple. &nbsp;Fortunately, the Gentoo overlords have not
removed<br>
lilo from the portage tree, but if they ever do, I will just compile it<br>
myself. &nbsp;Continuous change is not a law of the universe. &nbsp;Some methods<br>
never become obsolete (out of fashion perhaps, but fashion should never<br>
be the final guide).<br>
      <br>
Frank Peters<br>
      <br>
&nbsp; <br>
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No offense intended but I have used both lilo and grub. &nbsp;I used lilo
first and for me, it was a nightmare. &nbsp;Fixing even a small typo was
painful for me. &nbsp;I switched to grub and the difference was like flying
the space shuttle or riding a tri-cycle. &nbsp;Let's remove the computers
from the space shuttle just to make it as difficult.<br>
    <br>
I may have to use lilo one day but grub will be long dead and will not
compile on any rig I have.<br>
    <font color="#888888"><br>
Dale<br>
    <br>
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Good analogy.&nbsp; My issue with grub is that when it fails, I'm stuck in a
tin can in low earth orbit and likely to burn up in the atmosphere.&nbsp; <br>
  <br>
Recovering from a fall off my tri-cycle is not nearly as painful.<br>
  <br>
&nbsp;<br>
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 color="#888888">:-) &nbsp;:-)<br>
    <br>
    </font></blockquote>
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<br>
When lilo failed for me one time, I had to reinstall.&nbsp; I couldn't get
anything to work.&nbsp; With grub, I just edit the boot line.&nbsp; If grub
doesn't load, boot a CD, mount the partitions and chroot in to fix it.&nbsp;
I have never had to do that with grub tho.&nbsp; I have no clue how to fix
lilo tho.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
Some of this is because grub has "just worked" for me and lilo was a
pain for me.&nbsp; Maybe it has changed, I don't know.&nbsp; I just remember how
it was back then.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
Dale<br>
<br>
:-)&nbsp; :-)&nbsp; <br>
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References:
About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted.
-- Dale
Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted.
-- Mark Knecht
Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted.
-- Dale
Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted.
-- Stan Sander
Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted.
-- Dale
Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted.
-- Duncan
Re: Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted.
-- Frank Peters
Re: Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted.
-- Dale
Re: Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted.
-- Harry Holt
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