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Donnie Berkholz wrote: |
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> On 16:33 Thu 08 May , Donnie Berkholz wrote: |
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> > Enforced retirement: After 2.5 hours on the previous topics, people had |
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> > to go to sleep and jokey's computer broke. Instead of waiting till the |
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> > next regular meeting, because of its urgency, we scheduled a special |
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> > session next week at the same time. The appeals will *not* be decided |
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> > then -- it's about figuring out the validity and the process. |
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> 2 of us have shown up -- amne and me. That's really pathetic, guys. What |
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> happened? Did the rest of you miss the announcement in the summary? |
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> tove brought up an interesting point from GLEP 39: |
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> If any meeting has less than 50% attendance by council members, a |
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> new election for all places must be held within a month. The 'one |
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> year' is then reset from that point. |
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> musikc questioned whether that was only intended for the regular |
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> meetings or also irregular ones like this. |
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I've decided to just respond to the original post, however my comments will |
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include responses to a variety of posts I've read. As a result, this is |
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somewhat long so I apologize in advance for the lengthy read. |
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GLEP changes do not have to be voted by the entire developer community, so |
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if you wish to entertain this line of discussion please help me understand |
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what policy you base it off of. |
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Council votes on GLEP's. Council, in my opinion, is quite capable of editing |
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a GLEP if something is deemed unclear or would benefit from more exact |
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wording, we did after all vote for them to make decisions - not to ask our |
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approval on every decision they wish to make. |
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http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0001.html. I reference that link for |
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this section: "GLEPs are reviewed by the appropriate Gentoo Manager [8], who |
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may approve or reject a GLEP outright, or send it back to the author(s) for |
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revision." I see Council as our appropriate Gentoo Managers. Perhaps this |
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should be better spelled out? |
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I don't see the relevance in hearing from the authors of this GLEP on how a |
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section was intended post-creation. |
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I see nothing wrong with acknowledging a policy, or in this case a GLEP, |
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needs to be revised, revising it, and immediately following it. Perhaps this |
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is why our policies are digital and not carved into stone tablets? We are a |
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fluid distro, subject to make changes as new needs or awareness arises. We |
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are not a legal or official government body, so I have no interest in people |
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trying to complicate this more than necessary. Please note I see nothing |
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wrong with sanely and civilly stating your opinion, not to be confused with |
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arguing because others do not share your opinion. |
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I am frustrated that more Council members did not show up, however I have no |
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interest in voting for another Council at this time. Personally, I would |
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vote for the exact same Council members. They made a mistake and several |
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have explained how it happened. For me to want to remove someone for a |
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single mistake, it would have to be such a catastrophic error, which I do |
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not feel this is. |
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I think any Council meeting in the future should be publicized better than |
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this one was. That is where we can learn from our mistakes. Perhaps more |
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Council members would have shown up if they received the standard email |
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reminders that we currently enjoy for our scheduled monthly meetings. |
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Perhaps this reminder would have reminded those who were unlikely to show up |
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to assign a proxy. There are several perhaps here, but again they all center |
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around hindsight being 20/20 and us learning and moving forward in a |
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positive direction. |
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Council, |
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You fill a necessary role that many of us would not want to do ourselves, it |
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is indeed quite challenging to make a decision that you believe in and |
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balance that with what you think may best represent the wishes of the |
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developers, so I thank you for the hard work and the good job that you have |
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done thus far. |
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Kind regards, |
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Christina Fullam |
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Gentoo Developer Relations Lead | Gentoo Public Relations |
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