Gentoo Archives: gentoo-council

From: Tobias Scherbaum <dertobi123@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Cc: gentoo-council@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-council] Re: [gentoo-dev] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:05:15
Message-Id: 1243958708.6227.13.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de
In Reply to: [gentoo-council] Jun 11th, 2009 Council Meeting Format by Doug Goldstein
Heya,

thanks for bringing this up!

Doug Goldstein wrote:
> All, > > The current council meetings have gotten completely out of hand for > weeks meetings have become nothing more then a continuation of the > senseless bicker-fest that have become the e-mail threads on GLEP54, > GLEP55, and EAPI-3 without any real progress or sense coming of them. > It's taken me a little bit to step up and put a stop to it but I fully > intend on putting a stop to it.
Remove EAPI-3 from that list (as we got that off our desk for now, but the whole process could've been much easier, yeah ...), but in general: the neverending GLEP54/55 stuff isn't fun and i don't see us getting any further on that anytime soon.
> 1) Agenda Topics are posted to the appropriate mailing lists at a > MINIMUM 7 days prior to the meeting. (That means the agenda must be > formed by this Thursday). > 1a) Any changes to the agenda should be ACK'd by the council members > (off list via the council alias). Changes can not occur less than 48 > hours from the meeting.
ack
> 2) The #gentoo-council channel become moderated as we had discussed > several times in the past.
The "experiment" do keep meetings unmoderated was quite successful in the beginning nearly a year ago, i'd like to get back to the beginn of our experiment instead of just +m. If it proves not to work ... well we still have +m.
> 2a) Topics will be brought up and people wishing to address the > council and the developer body at large should speak to the day's > appointed moderator. We can take turns or I can do it (maybe it'll > keep my head from banging against the keyboard as it has in the past > watching the various non-council members argue completely non-agenda > items back and forth). > 2b) Requests are made in tells and honored in turn. The moderator will > announce to the channel who wishes to speak and the order they are in > and will efficiently work through the list. If you can not remain on > topic, you will lose your voice.
See above, looks good to me and would help in making meetings more productive, just marking the channel +m is something we can do if "real" moderation doesn't work.
> 3) Once discussion on the topic has concluded, the council members > will vote on the actions requested by the developer body. That does > not mean it is time for council members to concoct an entirely new > plan by the seat of their pants... which leads me to the next topic.
Add: Things to vote upon must be clear and precise worded. Discussing for half an hour of what's been voted upon and changing votes for several times is a huge waste of time (like we had 2 1/2 weeks ago).
> 4) Council members will now be expected to ACK the agenda on the > appropriate mailing lists at least 48 hours prior to the meeting. If > you can't, let the council know. You should be able to do this without > relying on your proxy, but your proxy may do this for you as well if > you have an extended away. > 4a) Failure to ACK the agenda will be noted on the meeting minutes. > 4b) Council members will be expected to formulate their thoughts in > reply to the agenda items and to research the discussion they wish to > have on the mailing list PRIOR to the meeting and not fly by the seat > of their pants. > 4c) "The first I heard of this and I need 4 weeks to research this." > or any variation of the quoted statement is no longer a valid > statement. The point of the meeting is to weigh and debate the items > before us now. Do your research PRIOR to the meeting, not during.
... and ack. wkr, Tobias

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