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On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 09:24:53PM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: |
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> > > | 4. Here's what I think is meant by a complete ban. *These are only my |
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> > > | own inferences from reading between the lines and trying to put |
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> > > | different comments together in some coherent fashion.* |
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> > > | Under some rather unclear conditions, some combination of |
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> > > | devrel/userrel/trustees/infra could decide to impose a complete, |
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> > > | permanent ban on a member (user or, I suppose developer) of our |
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> > > | community. This would have the following effects: |
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> > > Some people seem to support that userrel can make such decisions on its |
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> > > own. As I've stated, as an userrel member, I was willing to involve |
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> > > other teams. We also need to agree to which body should appeals be sent. |
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> > I would not support giving userrel that authority or userrel+devrel that |
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> > authority. Now, I oppose this absolutely. But in general I don't thing |
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> > any group(s) in gentoo should have such sweeping authority to make such |
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> > major decisions secretely in private. If we want to impose such a ban |
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> > on someone, we really should have the courage and resolve to work in |
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> > public. |
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> I dislike your use of emotional words to imply that anyone you disagree |
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> with is cowardly. |
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I'm going to argue from the perspective of the community here... |
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It seems to me that in the past the Gentoo community has always been |
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open to the community. We've accepted patches from many people, despite |
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their perhaps abrasive attitude towards us. Yet now, some are leaning towards |
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refusing patches from certain people, based not on their merit but on |
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their origin? In other words, a person's point on a mailing list may be |
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entirely valid and entirely undisputed, but since a subset of the community |
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holds that person in "contempt" or "poisonous", everyone has to simply |
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ignore the person's valid point? Doesn't this go against the "open |
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community" aspect of Gentoo, which has always been heralded as the |
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hallmark of our community? |
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> I think it's clear that your opinion does not necessarily represent the |
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> opinions of everyone else in Gentoo, so arguing that your empty set is |
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> Gentoo's empty set is not valid. |
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It certainly represents mine. |