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From: Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@g.o>
Subject: Re: Amending GLEP39
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:21:35 +0100
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On 2009.07.15 00:33, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:06:52 -0600
> Denis Dupeyron <calchan@g.o> wrote:
> 
> > Next topic on the (long) list: how do we go about amending GLEP39?
> > This is by the way a blocker for part of the previous discussion
> > about meeting format, i.e. getting rid of proxies and slacker mark.
> > 
[snip]

> 
> I think it is clear that we can change or replace GLEP39.  The
> question is who can do it and how.
> 
> > 
[snip] 

> > ... Some others think that the whole point of
> > electing a council is about delegating your vote and making the
> > maneuvering of this large ship that Gentoo is a lot easier than if
> > had to resort to all-devs vote for everything.
[snip]

> 
> Council as we know it was created by GLEP39, and GLEP39 is the one of
> several alternatives which was chosen by a vote of the developer
> community.  So in a sense, Council is serving at the pleasure of the
> developers, and GLEP39 describes the rules the developers want for
> the council (or wanted in 2005 at any rate).
> 
> So it is conceivable that if council were to replace GLEP39, they
> would be working against the explicit wishes of the community.

[snip]

So what ?
Gentoo is not a real democracy. The elected council have just had their 
mandate created - they have not even met once yet. 
Let them use it.

Most developers won't care. Look at the turnout for the council 
election. 

Developers that do care can lobby the council prior to any vote then 
council can vote taking into account any lobbying. 

Lets not pretend that we can keep everyone happy - we are all wise 
enough to know thats not true, so lets not even try and lets not put 
any more effort into fixing the slackers and proxies parts of GLEP 39 
than we really need to.

The difference is between the mathematical precision of a referendum 
and being close enough for all practical purposes. The council were 
elected to look after the engineering side of Gentoo so being close 
enough for all practical purposes is exactly what is required.

> 
> Regards,
> Ferris
> --
> Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <fmccor@g.o>
> Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Userrel, Trustees)
> 

- -- 
Regards,

Roy Bamford
(NeddySeagoon) a member of
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