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On 5/21/08, Chrissy Fullam <email@example.com> wrote:
> > People keep asking us for action or a decision one way or the other, and
> > we can't seem to get enough of us saying the same thing at the same time
> > to do anything.
> > To get some movement here, I'd like to get a concrete response from the
> > council in this thread for how we should proceed. Here's some options
> > that have been mentioned:
> > 1) Have an election now;
I would prefer this option.
> > 2) Hold a 1-week vote asking all devs whether we should have elections;
I'm with Neddy that this is probably a waste of time in terms of
election dates (now or 6 weeks from now). Regardless of the outcome
of the vote we will be holding elections 'soon'; this may actually
make things more confusing.
> > 3) Say that last week's nonmeeting didn't count for any of these
> > reasons: it was (a) poorly announced, (b) not voted on by a council
> > majority or (c) not a regularly scheduled meeting; or
I think a and c are a copout (as presumbly Donnie is aware). Lack of
planning on the council's part is not an excuse. It is crappy to be
sure and I sympathize with your position and so forth... ;)
b is an interesting tact. How many council members does it take to
screw in a ligh...er...make a meeting. Personally I think enough
people showed up expecting a meeting that you probably won't do well
to persue this path either; however it seems easier to use as a
'Due to our poor planning we failed to communicate the meeting properly' vs.
'Due to our poor planning we failed to a majority vote in regards to
the dailts of said future meeting, and due to a miscommunication of
said details a meeting was set to take place without the full
knowledge of the council'.
I guess the second one sounds a bit better to me.
> > 4) Something else. (What?)
But seriously, either we vote now or we vote in six weeks. The only
disadvantage I see to voting now is essentially a loss of face for you
if you don't get a voted back in.
The disadvange for voting later is being labeled as 'the council that
skipped the meeting and ignored the rules' and possibly a higher
probabillity of not getting voted back in due to said labeling.
Isn't being a leader of a group of random people fun?...*sigh*.
> I don't know the relevance of my opinion on this topic but what the heck.
> 1 = lame
> 2 = less lame
> 3 = least lame
> 4 = cant comment on non-existence so how about no?
> Seriously, this wasn't advertised enough, the decision for the meeting IIRC
> was made at the tail end of your regular meeting and continued even when
> other Council members had already left. I do wish more, if not most, of you
> showed for the meeting but I cant hold it against you when it was announced
> the way it was (end of meeting and via logs about a meeting you had attended
> so why would you read them).
> I think voting you guys out would be lame. I like that word regarding this
> topic. :) I personally will vote for each of you again should you choose to
> run in the next election.
> Regarding that #!$$#@% about Trustees trying to take over control of
> Council, you really don't even want to get me started on my thoughts at that
> but expletive expletive expletive should cover that nicely. It is sooo not
> what the Trustees were voted in to do, that being to handle many legal and
> non-technical matters. If ever there would be a reason for developers to
> quit, I would cite that as a prime candidate. Sorry, to my knowledge we
> didn't ask for a take over.
I see where he is coming from; I disagree (maybe he is just too new..I
dunno..this is pretty normal for us by now <g>). I'm certain said
trustee is tired of some of this bullcrap and I think he wants to
change stuff. I also think his methods are...poorly chosen (certainly
it will be difficult to change in a trustee position at this point in
> Kind regards,
> Christina Fullam
> Gentoo member of stuff but speaking her own mind in case it offends some
> people on this list. ;-)
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