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From: Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@g.o>
To: gentoo-council@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-council] Extent of Code of Conduct enforcement
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:23:55
Message-Id: 1216059832.3025.0@spike
In Reply to: [gentoo-council] Extent of Code of Conduct enforcement by Donnie Berkholz
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4 On 2008.07.14 07:35, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
5 > Can people be entirely banned from Gentoo?
6 >
7 > - What would such a ban include? Some ideas -- the person could not:
8 > - Post to any gentoo mailing list;
9 > - Post to gentoo bugzilla;
10 > - Participate in #gentoo- IRC channels;
11 > - Contribute to gentoo (hence my corner case of a security fix)
12 > except
13 > perhaps through a proxy;
14
15 All of these things require the co-operation of the banee.
16 email addresses to subscribe to lists are unlimited and easy to
17 change.
18
19 IRC nicks can be registered for the asking.
20 Does #gentoo- include non-English channels?
21
22 We should not make rules we cannot enforce, the best we can do it to
23 make it difficult for the bannee to do these things without pushing
24 them to the trouble of swapping email addresses, IRC nicks etc.
25
26 >
27 > - Why would we do it?
28 We wouldn't - its more trouble than its worth to enforce.
29
30 >
31 > - Under whose authority would it happen?
32 *rel against 'contrubutors' with a history.
33
34 >
35 > - Would it be reversible? What conditions would cause this?
36 N/A
37 >
38 > Since the banned person couldn't participate in Gentoo, we'd never
39 > know whether anything changed.
40 >
41 > - How would one appeal this? Would there be a chance to respond
42 > before
43 > the ban?
44 Why would there be any right of appeal at all?
45 Its not like the bannee would have had no warning.
46 While I don't see this being implemented at all, its really a desparate
47 last measure.
48
49 >
50 > - Would moderating the gentoo-dev mailing list obsolete this concept?
51 No.
52
53 It would make it less likely to be used as potential banees would get
54 gentle tugs on their leashes more frequently, as they currently do in
55 #gentoo and on the forums. Even there, some contributors are
56 permanently banned and a some are known to have come back with new
57 identities.
58
59 Following on that model, I could go with a permanent ban on an online
60 identity without a permanent ban on the individual holding it, so that
61 if they come back with a new identity, after a suitable period and
62 behave, they are permitted to remain.
63
64 That also gets around all the 'mole' hunting.
65
66 >
67 > --
68 > Thanks,
69 > Donnie
70 >
71 > Donnie Berkholz
72 > Developer, Gentoo Linux
73 > Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com
74 >
75
76 - --
77 Regards,
78
79 Roy Bamford
80 (NeddySeagoon) a member of
81 gentoo-ops
82 forum-mods
83 treecleaners
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