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To: Denis Dupeyron <calchan@g.o>
From: Lukasz Damentko <rane@g.o>
Subject: Re: Meeting format
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:30:33 +0200
2009/7/7 Denis Dupeyron <calchan@g.o>:
> Scheduling a live meeting is difficult due to the council members
> being spread over different time zones.

Let's create a Council sub-forum on f.g.o:

- "Council" forum, main place where people would discuss issues
concerning Gentoo as a whole.
- "Proposals" sub-forum where everyone could start a thread with an
issue Council should in his opinion discuss.
- "Council Chambers" subforum where council would discuss between
themselves and start threads in which votes would be collected. Only
Council Members would be able to post there.

- #gentoo-council channel should stay where it is as a secondary way
of communication between Council Members and wide community but should
be replaced in decision-making by the forum.


- No need to be in one place at one time, you can comment when you
have time. Just start a poll with a time-out (7 days, 3 days?) and
wait for council members to vote.
- Ability to moderate. Lock threads when they go too wild, delete
unwanted posts, edit your previous posts, edit thread titles, sticky
important things. All the things you can't do on IRC or on mailing
lists. Just imagine the possibilities.
- You could copy half a thread and move it to another place to discuss
there separately. Something that would prevent derailing discussion
which happens on regular basis on mailings lists.
- You can "watch" threads you consider important and receive e-mails
with information about new posts in them.
- You can open a sub-forum for bigger issues (like EAPI stuff for
example which is currently spread over many meeting summaries and
posts on mailing lists) to keep them organised and in order.
- No dependance on Freenode team (with all due respect and
appreciation to their hard work they put into providing best IRC
service there is to our project). Forum would be on a machine
belonging to Gentoo, run by Gentoo Infra and moderated only be people
named by Gentoo.
- All other features that made civilised world to abandon mailing
lists and switch to forums.

And most importantly.
- People put more thought into what they write to forums than they do
when they use IRC. There would be less chit-chat and even if some
appears it'll be easy enough to move it somewhere else.


- Would need edits in the GLEP, like for example rethinking whole
"slacker" and "proxy" concepts.
- Forum project would have to agree to hand a forum over to where
Council would be sole moderators and rule makers. This issue is
probably not a big problem but since no-one asked them yet, I wouldn't
take it for granted.
- Would need moderators. There's one secretary already and I think it
could be a start for a future moderating team.
- "Disappearing posts" aka censorship - when people post something and
moderators just delete it without trace. Could be dodge by creating a
dustbin/hydepark sub-forum where moderators would copy/move threads
and posts instead of deleting them so they don't disappear even if
they are considered garbage.
- No archives. Well, forum is an archive itself so no need to archive
it elsewhere.
- "Forum is down, council can't proceed" - it applies to mailing lists
and IRC as well and can be easily dodged by moving back to lists and
IRC once it happens. I don't think our forum goes down more often than
- "My issue with forums is that I don't use them" - reason why my idea
won't be implemented most probably, some people just won't use forums
and that's it. Just think about how much easier it would be to
organize your work on a forum compared to what happens now. Maybe it's
worth trying?

Opinions, counter-ideas and bashing most welcome.


Lukasz Damentko

Re: Meeting format
-- Roy Bamford
Meeting format
-- Denis Dupeyron
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