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> Can people be entirely banned from Gentoo? |
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By technical merit I'd not say that anything is entirely outside of |
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technical ability if one has that ability to circumvent the system. Doesn't |
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mean we should throw the towel in and just sit back to take abuse though. |
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> - What would such a ban include? Some ideas -- the person could not: |
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> - Post to any gentoo mailing list; |
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> - Post to gentoo bugzilla; |
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> - Participate in #gentoo- IRC channels; |
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> - Contribute to gentoo (hence my corner case of a security fix) except |
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> perhaps through a proxy; |
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Mailing list rights and bugzilla rights for that email address would be |
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revoked; the argument is if they subscribed with a different email address |
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what then? If they are confirmed to be the original person User Rel should |
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talk to them and quite possibly extend the ban to the new accounts - not my |
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decision just an idea; argument being when do we stop because they could |
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keep trying with new accounts? My response is situational, likely I'd |
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consider continuing doing it so long as it was verified to be that person |
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but that is my opinion. Changing your name doesn't make you less of an ass, |
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only you can make yourself less of an ass. |
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Regarding IRC, we should only remove their nick from #gentoo-dev as other |
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channels are moderated and operated by the relevant team. I for one would |
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remove anyone from #gentoo-devrel, but that is my right to do so. |
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Contributions... I'd vote to only accept via a proxy so long as said proxy |
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understands they are vouching 100% for the quality of the code as well. This |
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should be common practice today I suspect. |
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> - Why would we do it? |
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Because we do our developers and users a disservice to allow such repeat |
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offenders the luxury of participating in such a manner while ruining the |
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experience for others. Simply put people quit and drop Gentoo solely as a |
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result of one or several vocal negative and abusive influences. Let's do our |
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jobs and do something about it. |
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> - Under whose authority would it happen? |
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Dev Rel would have removed such a person from being a developer in which |
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case this round of elimination would fall upon User Rel, whom Dev Rel would |
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gladly assist if assistance were requested. |
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> - Would it be reversible? What conditions would cause this? |
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> Since the banned person couldn't participate in Gentoo, we'd never |
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> know whether anything changed. |
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Life happens, people change. No ban should be 100% forever so let's be |
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realistic here. If User Rel banned someone from participating they could |
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follow the same rule set that Dev Rel uses: a forcibly removed developer may |
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return upon approval of the current Dev Rel lead. That said, if a forcibly |
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removed contributor/participator wanted to come back that person would need |
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to convince the User Rel lead of a darn good reason and such re-joining |
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should be done under a probationary period subject to review. |
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> - How would one appeal this? Would there be a chance to respond before |
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> the ban? |
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Appeal a ban, no. I think if someone is being considered for the ban there |
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should be an exchange of dialog. That said, no person eligible for such an |
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extreme course of action could honestly say they were surprised and caught |
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off guard. Such a person would have a repeated history of conflicts and |
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discussions warning them that they are out of line, be it in a bug or via |
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emails. |
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> - Would moderating the gentoo-dev mailing list obsolete this concept? |
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Nope, just make it less likely to happen as hopefully we'd be able to show |
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people that we are taking this seriously and it must stop or the |
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consequences continue to get more severe. Much like the legal system fmccor |
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references, a jury or judge is less sympathetic to the protests of a repeat |
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offender. |
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Kind regards, |
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Christina Fullam |
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Gentoo Developer Relations Lead | Gentoo Public Relations |
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