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On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 15:22, Paul de Vrieze wrote: |
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> If that is the only way then we might come to the conclusion that the best |
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> solution is to wait. I do think though that at least good documentation might |
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> be another solution. |
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Documenting fonts is like setting defaults : a disaster, what you like |
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on your monitor looks pretty bad on another persons LCD, etc. It's so |
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much a personal thing that setting up defaults will always upset some |
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users. And should such a document support legacy font support (xfs, xft1 |
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etc. ?). I guess one could set up a document describing what is possible |
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in configuring xft2/fontconfig. |
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> > Anyway, this suggestion is very western centered, if you mess with |
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> > defaults you might easily end up with weird results for non-western |
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> > users. |
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> I did not mean to be western-centered. I was suggesting that we look into |
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> improving the fonts. I don't want non-western fonts to be looking worse |
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> because of it. Actually did you try sometime to run konsole with |
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> LC_CTYPE="zh_CN", it is really ugly, and it should be possible to fix this. |
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My point more is that if you set it up for latin charset users (what we |
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obviously would do) you might make mistakes you aren't even aware of. It |
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needs to be coordinated with asian,arabic,hebrew devs/users for as far |
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we have them. There already has been some discussion on setting this up |
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in a configurable fashion for different charsets, but that needs the |
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improved fontconfig. |
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> > You should install exactly the same fonts to have the same effect and |
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> > thats also a question of installing windows fonts or not. KDE just has |
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> > bad font defaults, helvetica everywhere is just a bad choice. Current |
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> > fontconfig setups should solve most of these problems afaik. |
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> I agree that helvetica is a bad choice, but we might look into making |
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> helvetica look not too bad at least in some cases |
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The problem usually is that it uses the the standard xfree bitmap stuff, |
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you can't make that look good. Just use fontconfig identifiers like |
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'sans' for fonts. That should also make the looks of GTK+ and QT apps |
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more alike (for as far this doesn't happen already, been a while since i |
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did a KDE install). |
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> > afaik OO uses its own (outdated?) freetype etc. Do from source ebuilds |
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> > have these problems too ? They could use the system libs and settings. |
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> I always use from source openoffice. I don't perceive any font problems. In |
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> the from-source version we do indeed use the latest freetype. |
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But not the system one (yes im too lazy to look at ebuilds atm ;)) ? If |
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there's no real good reason for that, it should be changed. |
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- foser |
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