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On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 13:23, Donnie Berkholz wrote: |
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> I didn't particularly want to lead the installer project, I was picking up |
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> the slack until someone else was interested in leading it because nobody |
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> stepped forward. Brandon asked to stress it at the meeting because he |
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> couldn't be there, I did, and I got given the responsibility. |
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Yeah i read the logs on that right now. |
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Tseng sees the real desktop issues as secondary, while the installer is |
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not a desktop thing as such (you never see it beyond your install). I |
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personally think such a vast project (it is a lot) is really beyond the |
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scope of this team and at least is not a good way to start defining what |
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this team is supposed to do. You yourself imply that any installer |
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release up to at least 2004.1 is very unlikely, I'm afraid it's gonna |
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suck resources from places where _the desktop_ needs them. |
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On the other hand i do see the need for concentrating installer efforts |
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(there have been quite a few) and try to get at least somewhere with |
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them. Either this project is too big to be completed by a few |
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individuals alone (as former failed installers might indicate) or there |
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just isn't enough interest to do it (yes i know it gets _asked_ about a |
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lot, but OSS isn't about asking, it's about doing). |
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So the quest for a GUI installer i see a bit as a Holy Grail thing for |
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now, I'd say we could use our round table for more real goals and at |
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least not put too much emphasis on the installer project. |
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On a side note, the one 'decided on' implementation detail of the |
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installer makes not that much sense to me, what good does it do to have |
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it pluggable ? We got a perfectly fine text based install with some |
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top-grade docs. We don't have to plug-in different widget sets, who |
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cares if the installer is QT/GTK/etc. (yeah, i want a Motif installer, |
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I'm oldskool you know). It seems like over-complication of what is |
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already a complicated project to me. |
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> If the rest of the research people also feel that your proposal is more |
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> important to pursue right now and should be the second project instead of |
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> the installer, I have no problem with that. |
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Well, it's not about one or the other, we can have both. The menu thing |
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has been long going and actually just misses some left-over research and |
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mostly implementation. But at least it's a goal i think we can achieve |
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within a reasonable time frame and is an obvious improvement to the |
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desktop experience as a whole (as opposed to an installer). I see it |
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didn't even get discussed, which is a bit of a shame. I thought you were |
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on of the initiators behind the initial unified menu proposal spyderous |
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What I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't start out with |
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desktop-research staring blind at castles in the sky and in the end |
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achieve little. I think it's wiser to set shorter term goals and work |
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from there. |
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- foser |
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