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From: foser <foser@g.o>
Subject: Re: One research problem we could research
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:43:30 +0200
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 15:22, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> If that is the only way then we might come to the conclusion that the best 
> solution is to wait. I do think though that at least good documentation might 
> be another solution.

Documenting fonts is like setting defaults : a disaster, what you like
on your monitor looks pretty bad on another persons LCD, etc. It's so
much a personal thing that setting up defaults will always upset some
users. And should such a document support legacy font support (xfs, xft1
etc. ?). I guess one could set up a document describing what is possible
in configuring xft2/fontconfig.

> > Anyway, this suggestion is very western centered, if you mess with
> > defaults you might easily end up with weird results for non-western
> > users.
> >
> 
> I did not mean to be western-centered. I was suggesting that we look into 
> improving the fonts. I don't want non-western fonts to be looking worse 
> because of it. Actually did you try sometime to run konsole with 
> LC_CTYPE="zh_CN", it is really ugly, and it should be possible to fix this.

My point more is that if you set it up for latin charset users (what we
obviously would do) you might make mistakes you aren't even aware of. It
needs to be coordinated with asian,arabic,hebrew devs/users for as far
we have them. There already has been some discussion on setting this up
in a configurable fashion for different charsets, but that needs the
improved fontconfig.

> > You should install exactly the same fonts to have the same effect and
> > thats also a question of installing windows fonts or not. KDE just has
> > bad font defaults, helvetica everywhere is just a bad choice. Current
> > fontconfig setups should solve most of these problems afaik.
> >
> 
> I agree that helvetica is a bad choice, but we might look into making 
> helvetica look not too bad at least in some cases

The problem usually is that it uses the the standard xfree bitmap stuff,
you can't make that look good. Just use fontconfig identifiers like
'sans' for fonts. That should also make the  looks of GTK+ and QT apps
more alike (for as far this doesn't happen already, been a while since i
did a KDE install).

> > afaik OO uses its own (outdated?) freetype etc. Do from source ebuilds
> > have these problems too ? They could use the system libs and settings.
> 
> I always use from source openoffice. I don't perceive any font problems. In 
> the from-source version we do indeed use the latest freetype.

But not the system one (yes im too lazy to look at ebuilds atm ;)) ? If
there's no real good reason for that, it should be changed.

- foser


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