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From: Spider <spider@g.o>
Subject: Re: What "just works" and what doesn't?
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:20:32 +0200
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On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:22:13 -0700
Donnie Berkholz <spyderous@g.o> wrote:

> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 13:09, Spider wrote:
> > device access to cdrom's and cdrw with udev default settings.
> > especially on IDE where /dev/cdroms/* and /dev/cdrom are symlinks,
> > the device is created as hd? , which in turn is given the access of
> > the "disk" group rather than the "cdrom" or "cdrw" groups.  
> > 
> > This effecitvely ruins cdburning and ripping for any and all users
> > != root or != disk access.
> > 
> > And really.  I wouldn't give disk access to -any- user.
> 
> What's the bug # for this?

None, as its not reproducible at -all- times, but rather an issue that
crops up when you have multiple users trying to use X on the system.

on a clean reboot (after I've updated udev as well;)  this is all
correct.


However, once you run fex. "udevstart" to reinitialize the new udev
rules, i becomes reset to :

brw-rw----  1 root disk 22, 0 Oct 16  2003 /dev/hdc

 (  http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66730  )


> > USB sticks.   just doesn't work by default , configuration and magic
> > is required.
> > (hald + fstab-sync solves this)
> 
> Do we have how to set this up documented anywhere? Probably could fit
> somewhere in the Desktop Documentation section.


Well, I have some snippets on my page, thats about it.

> 
> > Multi user environment.     Nope, doesn't work out of the box.  pam
> > does> nasty magic on the audio devices fex.
> 
> Do you know which bugs are opened on this?

Doubt any are since its design of the system more than anything else :/
(also, I've used modified permission tables for my systems for a long
time due to this, so I cannot compare to our original designs)


The idea is that pam changes ownership of sound devices when you log in,
so its a "first in gets it" system,  Where ofc. this should perhaps be
alleviated to instead change it to be owned by the group at all times,
allowing multiple logins to actually use the sound, this might also
introduce other bugs (oss is notoriously bad about locking fex.  esound
and arts only adds to this)




> 
> > Language settings,  including a way of personalizing it per-user.

> Is there anything we can do about this?

Documenting it, basically.   Where/what should we change for a local
user to set their language for the environment?  

This is not the system language, but the various users. And I really
don't know, I've got my system language set to en_GB.UTF-8, but some of
my guests want it in norwegian or german..  I never managed to get that
to work reliably though :/


Also, what are suggested practices for shared media disks?     Many
people want  something like /media/music  (/media/video) partitions for 
the shared collection of music/media files between computer users.  How
should  we setup permissions and recommendations for such? 

(and /media in this case refers to the LSB  compatible mountpoints
rather than the fact that its media files ;)


This is mostly a documentation issue though.


//Spider



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