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From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@×××.net>
To: gentoo-desktop@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-desktop] Re: Re: ati-driver 8.16.20 and kernel 2.6.12
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:52:04
Message-Id: pan.2005.08.31.22.44.02.577214@cox.net
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-desktop] Re: ati-driver 8.16.20 and kernel 2.6.12 by Chris Gianelloni
1 Chris Gianelloni posted <1125494182.7951.27.camel@×××××××××××××××××.net>,
2 excerpted below, on Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:16:22 -0400:
3
4 > After all, it would be "slaveryware" if when you walked into CompUSA,
5 > someone bound you, grabbed an NVidia video card, put it in your
6 > computer, then forced you to use it along with the binary drivers
7 > without any choice whatsoever. Nothing is *ever* "slaveryware" so long
8 > as you can choose to not use it, so please, please, PLEASE... DO NOT
9 > EVER USE THAT TERM AGAIN... it is insulting and degrading, as I have
10 > told you multiple times now. Perhaps you could think of something
11 > slightly less offensive to call it, rather than continuing to use a
12 > terminology that implies being bound and forced against one's will?
13
14 Sigh...
15
16 <strong-personal-opinion>
17
18 I offset the remark with <strong-personal-opinion>
19 </strong-personal-opinion>. I said "what I personally call...", and "what
20 I consider", and stated that I understand others don't hold the same
21 opinions and even that were I to force my opinions on them it would IMO be
22 worse than the "slaveryware".
23
24 If you can't simply accept it as my opinion, even with *ALL* those
25 disclaimers to that effect, if you can't simply skip the paragraph so
26 clearly marked off as <strong-personal-opinion>, than that's your problem,
27 not mine. "Slaveryware" *IS* my personal opinion on the subject, and
28 while you may disagree, and have every right to challenge it publicly, it
29 still remains my personal opinion, which I too have the right to hold,
30 just as you hold yours, and to express.
31
32 I'm aware of the previous discussions, and they are the reason I wrapped
33 it in the strong-opinion tags, for those who can't stomach such things.
34 More than that, I don't believe you have justification for asking of me,
35 save the same liberty to express your own opinion as I have to express
36 my own.
37
38 As for the slavery issue, many of them had strong opinions on the subject
39 as well, and some of thse ended up paying for them with their lives.
40 Sure, this hasn't yet come to that, but it's certainly not beyond the
41 possible that the ideals of freedomware might at some point cost someone
42 their livelihood, and even their freedom, if law such as the DMCA
43 continues to be made. Freedomware is a concept I believe in strongly
44 enough that I (at least like to think I... one never can say for sure
45 until faced with the stark question) could choose to exercise the rights I
46 believe I hold, even at the cost of my freedom, if it comes to that, and
47 my use of the terms freedomware and slaveryware are intended to emphasize
48 the strength of that belief. I (hope I) would choose the ideals of
49 freedom, even if it cost me my own. Is that something you can say for the
50 concept of freedom software, or indeed, freedom in general? Not that I'm
51 necessarily willing to condemn anyone who can't say they'd make the same
52 choice, because it is after all a very personal choice, but I'm glad there
53 are at least a /few/ out there that consider it, and proud to be one of
54 them.
55
56 </strong-personal-opinion>
57
58 --
59 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
60 "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
61 and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman in
62 http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html
63
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Re: [gentoo-desktop] Re: Re: ati-driver 8.16.20 and kernel 2.6.12 Chris Ritchey <rethnor@×××××.com>
Re: [gentoo-desktop] Re: Re: ati-driver 8.16.20 and kernel 2.6.12 Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@g.o>