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From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@...>
Subject: Re: KDE3 overlay message.
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 12:58:44 +0000 (UTC)
Dale posted on Sun, 02 Oct 2011 06:49:04 -0500 as excerpted:

> I know the KDE3 folks subscribe here and wanted to let you know about
> this.  I got this after I done my sync:
> 
> Building database (/var/cache/eix) ..

> [1] "kde-sunset" /var/lib/layman/kde-sunset (cache:
> parse|ebuild*#metadata-flat#assign)
>       Reading category  17|155 ( 10%): app-misc .. *
>   *
> "/var/lib/layman/kde-sunset/app-misc/releaseforge/
releaseforge-1.3.ebuild":
>   * Deprecation Warning: Usage of distutils.eclass in packages not
> supporting installation
>   * for multiple Python ABIs in EAPI <=2 is deprecated and will be
> banned on 2011-06-01.

The short version of the story is that there have been some changes and 
that message can be ignored, for now.

The longer version... well, let's say that a certain former gentoo/python 
project dev is just that, former, and that the disruptively high rate of 
python eclass code churn and function deprecation and removal has slowed 
WAAAYYY down.  It'll probably pick back up slightly as others pick up the 
pieces and development gets back to normal, but it should remain far more 
modest and less disruptive than it was, as that wasn't normal (or, it 
turns out, acceptable for the rest of gentoo) either.

Similarly, it's rather unlikely that the methods used to stabilize 
python-3 will be repeated any time soon.  (Heh, at least they didn't move 
python-2 out of the tree to a python-sunset overlay... but the 
circumstances there are quite different as unlike kde/qt, upstream python 
continues to support python-2, and unlike python, not so much of the rest 
of the tree is so widely affected by kde.  The kde thing was more 
upstream policy, the python thing more a gentoo-only thing.)

That's why the named date has passed without any action, but the warning 
remains.  Everything's more or less frozen in place as the folks picking 
up the pieces assess the situation and decide where to go from here.  
From what I've read, many of the changes have already been done in the 
python overlay, and they have to figure out whether to move them to the 
tree, but slower, or to revert them in the python overlay, or if a 
different solution needs to be worked out and tested in the python 
overlay, before moving to the tree.

(FWIW, I believe said developer remains active in the python overlay, 
helping to straighten things out or at least explain where he was going 
with the changes so what to do with them can be better worked out, and he 
does still post to gentoo-dev occasionally, of course now without a gentoo 
address, so he's still active in the community and I guess helping to 
pick up the pieces.  What happens from here on out, however, remains to 
be seen.  Maybe he'll return as a dev, having learned his lesson, perhaps 
he's not even interested, but at least he's still around, so AFAIK 
there's still some bridges remaining unburned.)

So, um, yeah, the deprecation message can be ignored for now.  It'll 
probably be removed at some point.  If they do decide to kill that 
functionality, etc, expect some further warning and likely discussion on 
the dev list (which I know both you and I follow) first.

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman



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