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<div class="gmail_quote">On 20 September 2011 23:03, <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gentoo-desktop%2Bhelp@g.o">gentoo-desktop+help@g.o</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Topics (messages 1986 through 1994):<br><br>[gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.<br>
     1986 - Dale &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalek1967@...">rdalek1967@...</a>&gt;<br><br>[gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.<br>     1987 - Sebastian Beßler &lt;<a href="mailto:sebastian@...">sebastian@...</a>&gt;<br>
<br>[gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.<br>     1988 - Alex Schuster &lt;<a href="mailto:wonko@...">wonko@...</a>&gt;<br><br>[gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.<br>
     1989 - Michał Górny &lt;<a href="mailto:mgorny@g.o">mgorny@g.o</a>&gt;<br><br>[gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.<br>     1990 - Sebastian Beßler &lt;<a href="mailto:sebastian@...">sebastian@...</a>&gt;<br>
<br>[gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.<br>     1991 - Alex Schuster &lt;<a href="mailto:wonko@...">wonko@...</a>&gt;<br><br>[gentoo-desktop] kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.10-r1 and hal USE flag<br>
     1992 - Alex Schuster &lt;<a href="mailto:wonko@...">wonko@...</a>&gt;<br><br>[gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.<br>     1993 - Dale &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalek1967@...">rdalek1967@...</a>&gt;<br>
<br>[gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.<br>     1994 - Dale &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalek1967@...">rdalek1967@...</a>&gt;<br><br><br><br>I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend.  Thing is, some KDE4 stuff keeps getting pulled in.  This is the list as best as I can tell with my command:<br>
<br>kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1<br>kde-base/kdesu-4.7.1<br>kde-base/nepomuk-4.7.1<br>kde-base/kdelibs-4.7.1<br>kde-base/kde-env-4.7.1<br><br>I suspect this is a USE flag problem but I can&#39;t figure it out for the life of me.  Here is the USE line from emerge --info:<br>
<br>USE=&quot;3dnow 3dnowext X aac acpi alsa aml apng auto-hinter automount avahi bash-completion berkdb bzip2 cairo cdda cddb cdr chroot cleartype cli clucene consolekit corefonts cracklib cups curl cxx dbus declarative dri dvd dvdr emboss encode escreen esd exif fam fdftk ffmpeg firefox flac fortran gdbm gdu gif gimp gkrellm gnutls gphoto2 gpm gtk hbci hddtemp iconv ipv6 java javascript jbig jpeg jpeg2k justify kde kipi lcms libnotify libwww logrotate loop-aes mad mdnsresponder-compat melt mmx mng modules mp3 mp4 mpeg mplayer mudflap mysql ncurses nls nptl nptlonly nsplugin offensive ofx ogg opengl openmp pam pango parport pcre pdf perl phonon plasma png policykit ppds ppp pppd python qt3 qt3support qt4 readline sasl sdl seamonkey semantic-desktop session sift smp spell sse ssl startup-notification svg sysfs syslog tcl tcpd threads tiff tk truetype type1 udev unicode usb vcd vorbis webkit win32codecs wma wmf x264 x86 xcb xcomposite xinerama xml xorg xscreensaver xv xvid yahoo zeroconf zlib&quot;<br>
<br>I have policykit disabled in make.conf but it is enabled according to emerge --info.  Is that the problem?  One of them at least?  I have tried to remove that but they keep getting pulled in.  I did get rid of some but these last few are hair pullers to get rid of.<br>
<br>Thanks for any tips.<br><br>Dale<br><br>:-)  :-)<br><br>Am 18.09.2011 21:39, schrieb Dale:<br><br>&gt; Thanks for any tips.<br><br>The first I would try is to remove the kde and kipi flags. If that helps<br>then set them via package.use for one package at a time  so you find<br>
what pulls kde4.<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Sebastian<br><br><br>Dale writes:<br><br>&gt; I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend.<br><br>I gave up on this. I was not able to enable HAL :-)<br><br>&gt; Thing is,<br>
&gt; some KDE4 stuff keeps getting pulled in.  This is the list as best as I<br>&gt; can tell with my command:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1<br>&gt; kde-base/kdesu-4.7.1<br>&gt; kde-base/nepomuk-4.7.1<br>&gt; kde-base/kdelibs-4.7.1<br>
&gt; kde-base/kde-env-4.7.1<br><br>Use the -t/--tree argument to emerge, this will tell you what is pulling<br>them in.<br><br>       Wonko<br><br>On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:39:12 -0500<br>Dale &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalek1967@...">rdalek1967@...</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>&gt; I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend.  Thing<br>&gt; is, some KDE4 stuff keeps getting pulled in.  This is the list as<br>&gt; best as I can tell with my command:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1<br>
&gt; kde-base/kdesu-4.7.1<br>&gt; kde-base/nepomuk-4.7.1<br>&gt; kde-base/kdelibs-4.7.1<br>&gt; kde-base/kde-env-4.7.1<br><br>emerge --depclean -v =kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1<br><br>should show what keeps it around. And similarly for remaining packages.<br>
<br>--<br>Best regards,<br>Michał Górny<br><br>Am 18.09.2011 23:23, schrieb Alex Schuster:<br>&gt; Dale writes:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I gave up on this. I was not able to enable HAL :-)<br>
<br>HAL is just on of many good reasons to avoid KDE3 and use something else<br>like e17 or xfce4. If KDE tools are needed then use the ones from KDE4,<br>they work flawless with other DE and WM<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Sebastian Beßler<br>
<br><br><br>Sebastian Beßler writes:<br><br>&gt; Am 18.09.2011 23:23, schrieb Alex Schuster:<br>&gt; &gt; Dale writes:<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I gave up on this. I was not able to enable HAL :-)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; HAL is just on of many good reasons to avoid KDE3 and use something else<br>&gt; like e17 or xfce4. If KDE tools are needed then use the ones from KDE4,<br>
&gt; they work flawless with other DE and WM<br><br>The problem were the kioslaves, without HAL, KDE3 was unable to detect<br>and automount external media. I wanted to keep the setup, the PC is<br>rather old and slow, but in the end I switched to KDE4. Using Sabayon<br>
Linux instead of Gentoo, in order to avoid the compiles.<br><br>       Wonko<br><br>Sorry for the looong delay. It&#39;s partially because I the system it remote<br>and I do not always have access to it, and partially because I nearly<br>
forgot about this :)  Sorry for that.<br><br>Long, long ago Tiago Marques wrote:<br><br>&gt; On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Brent Busby &lt;<a href="mailto:brent@...">brent@...</a>&gt;<br>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Alex Schuster wrote:<br><br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Auto-mounting of external media like CDs does not work, I assume<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; it&#39;s because I have no HAL support for kioslaves:<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; leela ~ # USE=hal emerge -pv kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves:3.5<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; These are the packages that would be merged, in order:<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Calculating dependencies... done!<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; [ebuild   R    ] kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.**5.10-r1  USE=&quot;ldap<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; samba -<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; debug (-hal) -kdehiddenvisibility -openexr&quot; 0 kB [1]<br><br>&gt; &gt;&gt; The (-hal) probably means that this USE flag is disabled by profile.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Is there a way to enable it? Or does one have to mount CDs manually<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; with KDE 3.5 now?<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; I tried to put -hal in package.use.mask, and hal in<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; package.use.force (whatever thsi is). And in package.use of course,<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; but this does not help. When I look into the ebuild, it seems that<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; sys- apps/dbus has to be compiled with qt3, but there is no such USE<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; flag for this package. Maybe that&#39;s why hal is masked in the first<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; place.<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; So, is there anything I can do about it?<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Here&#39;s what I&#39;ve had to do...<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; In /etc/portage/package.use.mask:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves -hal<br>&gt; &gt; app-cdr/k3b -hal<br><br>Here, too.<br><br>&gt; &gt; In /etc/portage/package.keywords (because newer masked ebuilds of<br>&gt; &gt; these two packages solve some build issues):<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; kde-base/kdelibs:3.5 ~amd64<br>&gt; &gt; kde-base/kcontrol:3.5 ~amd64<br><br>Done (with ~x86 instead).<br><br>&gt; &gt; In /etc/portage/package.unmask:<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; kde-base/kdelibs:3.5<br>
&gt; &gt; kde-base/kcontrol:3.5<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Hope this helps...<br><br>No, it did not help :(<br><br>&gt; Install this and all will be ok:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.10-r1<br>&gt; sys-apps/dbus-1.2.24<br>
&gt; sys-apps/hal-0.5.13-r2<br><br>I tried, getting these ooold versions from the attic.  But it still<br>didn&#39;t work out.<br><br>But the PC is a rather old one, and so I decided to go away from Gentoo.<br>Using distcc helped, but only when I and my fast (well not really, but<br>
much faster than that old Sempron) PC were there. I decided to try<br>Sabayon Linux, which is based on Gentoo, but binary. There is no KDE3,<br>though, so I had to install KDE4. Which is somewhat slow, maybe Xfce4 or<br>LXDE will be better.<br>
<br>BTW, I&#39;m not too happy with Sabayon either. The equo package manager is<br>not as sophisticated as emerge, for example it looks like it is not<br>possible to call it when another instance is already running. And I do<br>
not yet understand how I can mix equo with portage. But I dod not dig<br>into this too much, the person using this PC mainly uses KMail, Firefox<br>and aMSN, and this is working fine.<br><br>Anyway, thanks both of you for your assistance.<br>
<br>       Wonk<br><br>Michał Górny wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:39:12 -0500<br>Dale&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalek1967@..." target="_blank">rdalek1967@...</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend.  Thing<br>is, some KDE4 stuff keeps getting pulled in.  This is the list as<br>
best as I can tell with my command:<br><br>kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1<br>kde-base/kdesu-4.7.1<br>kde-base/nepomuk-4.7.1<br>kde-base/kdelibs-4.7.1<br>kde-base/kde-env-4.7.1<br></blockquote>emerge --depclean -v =kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1<br>
<br>should show what keeps it around. And similarly for remaining packages.<br><br></blockquote>Did some of that already, just forgot to mention it.  It seems to go into circles.  I installed KDE4 first then KDE3.  I&#39;m thinking about getting rid of them both then installing just KDE3.  I really think there is some USE flag that is doing this.<br>
<br>I did remove the KDE USE flag.  It didn&#39;t help.  I&#39;m going to switch to a plain Desktop profile.  I think I have it on the KDE profile not that I think about it.<br><br>Thanks.<br><br>Dale<br><br>:-)  :-)<br><br>
Sebastian Beßler wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Am 18.09.2011 21:39, schrieb Dale:<br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Thanks for any tips.<br></blockquote>The first I would try is to remove the kde and kipi flags. If that helps<br>
then set them via package.use for one package at a time  so you find<br>what pulls kde4.<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Sebastian<br><br></blockquote><br>I set it to a plain desktop profile and that seemed to clean things up nicely.  Now we cooking with KDE3.<br>
<br>Thanks much.  I knew it was something simple that I was missing.<br><br>Dale<br><br>:-)  :-)<br><br></blockquote></div><br>
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