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On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@×××××.de> wrote: |
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> On 06/16/2010 08:43 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: |
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>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 |
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>> Sebastian Pipping<sping@g.o> wrote: |
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>>> Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. |
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>>> As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the |
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>>> atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. |
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>> That's a conclusion first, then a premise? |
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>>> I have searched a few places for rules on tone, looking at the Gentoo |
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>>> Social Contract [1], the Code of Conduct [2] and the Philosophy of |
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>>> Gentoo [3]. In a way the Code of Conduct defines what good and bad |
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>>> behavior is. The term "Acceptable behaviour" may make sense as a |
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>>> counterpart to "Unacceptable behaviour" but feels like "what you can |
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>>> get away with" to me anyhow. |
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>>> - How come tone is so rough when we actually meant to be |
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>>> a friendly community? Has it always been that way? |
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>> What are you referring to? forums.g.o? bugs.g.o? #gentoo? Who, where, |
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>> when, what channel, thread? |
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>>> - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel |
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>>> is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? |
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>> When did you point this out to devrel? |
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>> [... snip ...] |
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> Those replies are a good example of the rude behavior the poster is |
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> referring to. The replies consisted of sarcastic questions in "you're an |
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> idiot" style. The only thing they do is trying to trigger a hostile |
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> response from the poster. |
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Don't read so much between Jer's words. The tone of the reply could |
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certainly use improvement but I do not think his questions were meant |
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to be sarcastic at all or imply the poster was an idiot. The only |
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thing Jer was trying to 'trigger' is a response with some evidence of |
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'bad tone' so we can continue the discussion. I don't think a hostile |
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reply was intended at all. |
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You may not like the tone of the questions but certainly asking for |
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examples of 'bad tone' is likely a key step in improving the tone of |
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the community. Otherwise people have no idea what they are doing |
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wrong in the community's eyes and have no way to improve it. |
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DevRel tends to be a body of folks that do not act unless things are |
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reported. Asking 'when did you report these items to DevRel and what |
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action did they take if any' is likely a reasonable question as well. |
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Again pointing out what DevRel is doing wrong and providing |
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alternative actions will likely be a necessary part of this process. |
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> Very good example of tone in Gentoo. |
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