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On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Tom Wijsman <TomWij@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Wed, 15 May 2013 17:10:03 +0200 |
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> Luca Barbato <lu_zero@g.o> wrote: |
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>> - those not using the latest glibc (and maybe uclibc) |
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> Did you test this? Are there more specific details regarding this? |
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> Which version don't work? Is it known why? |
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>> - those not using a recent linux kernel |
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> It works on all gentoo-sources kernels (I test them), is 2.6 meant with |
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> not recent or are these kernels even older? Those kind of people likely |
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> don't care much about upgrading anyway and thus don't need systemd, but |
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> they rather enjoy to have a system full of security issues. |
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Don't take it personally or as an attack on systemd. I think he was |
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just pointing out that there are many use cases where systemd may not |
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be appropriate. |
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I'm sure if you pulled a glibc from 10 years ago there would be a |
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pretty good chance that systemd wouldn't work, but openrc is mainly |
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based on shell (not even bash), so it would be pretty likely to work. |
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Likewise if you picked a kernel from a few years ago systemd with all |
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its use of cgroups and such probably wouldn't work, while openrc is |
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simpler. Certainly if you picked a FreeBSD kernel systemd will not |
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work. (Keep in mind the set of systems not using a recent linux |
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kernel includes all systems that don't run linux at all.) |
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In any case, there really isn't any "decision" to make here. As long |
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as devs want to support openrc it will be supported. Likewise with |
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eudev. As long as devs want to support systemd and udev those will be |
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options as well. The beauty of Gentoo is that more than any distro it |
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maximizes the options for our users. The changes in Gnome may |
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eliminate Gnome+openrc as a practical option, and when those teams |
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stop supporting the combo then users will have to make a choice to not |
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use one or the other. Gentoo is about choice, but that doesn't mean |
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that we have to offer EVERY possible choice. If somebody wants to |
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support my hp48 calculator as a Gentoo arch that would be great, but |
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that doesn't mean that I can start hassling teams to do the work for |
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me. |
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Gentoo is about working TOGETHER to provide choices, not about telling |
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others to make choices work for you. |
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Rich |
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