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On 2012.12.21 23:57, Greg KH wrote: |
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> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:01:00AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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> > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Greg KH <gregkh@g.o> |
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> wrote: |
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> > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 02:32:25AM +0000, Robin H. Johnson wrote: |
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> > >> 1. Are you party to any *copyright assignment* (eg FSF copyright |
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> assignment)? |
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> > > |
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> > > You need to rephrase this to be (in order for it to make any |
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> sense): |
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> > > Are you party to any *copyright assignment* that is not part of |
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> your |
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> > > employment agreement? |
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> > > |
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> > > Otherwise, everyone in the US, and most other countries, would |
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> almost |
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> > > always have to just say "yes" to this, as their employer owns the |
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> > > copyright for their work no matter what it is done on (open |
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> source |
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> or |
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> > > not.) |
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> > |
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> > Work done for hire is certainly owned by the employer, unless an |
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> > agreement to the contrary is explicitly documented, but employment |
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> > agreements that purport to assign copyright for works unrelated to |
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> > employment to the employer are rare. Maybe they're not as rare in |
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> the |
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> > software industry, but most people aren't employed in the software |
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> > industry (even if most Gentoo developers might be - though perhaps |
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> not |
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> > as a big a majority as you might expect). |
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> > Certainly I haven't signed any kind of document that assigns |
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> ownership |
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> > of works created on my own time to my employer, and the legality of |
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> > any contract I did sign to that effect would be dubious. |
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> That's not true in the US, in fact, it's the exact opposite. Your |
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> employer has ownership of all of your work, even done on your own |
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> time, |
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> unless you explicitly have permission otherwise, if it is done in an |
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> industry that is related to your employer. Read the traditional US |
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> employment agreement for details about this. |
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> Yes, some states allow for exceptions to this rule, but those are the |
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> exceptions (California has some unique changes here). |
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> You might have signed these types of agreements when you were hired |
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> by |
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> a |
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> company, and didn't realize it, it's usually quite well hidden in the |
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> agreement. |
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> Now this is all for the US, Europe has other types of laws, but they |
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> still assign ownership/copyright of what you do while being paid by |
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> those companies, to the company, and not to you. Again, there are |
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> exceptions, but traditionally that is how they work. |
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> > > Remember, in the US, individuals who actually own the copyright |
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> on |
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> the |
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> > > work they do is quite rare once they get out of college, and even |
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> then, |
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> > > while in college, the school does have the right to assert |
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> copyright |
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> > > ownership of the work, depending on what it was done on/for (who |
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> > > provided the equipment, tasks, etc.) |
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> > |
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[snip] |
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This is typical for the UK too. My present employer regards my role in |
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the Gentoo Foundation as 'employment'. I had to show that there was no |
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conflict of interests before I took up my paid job. |
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General UK employment contracts go much further than copyright and |
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normally extend to any and all inventions created by the employee, |
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including inventions made in their own time with their own resources. |
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> thanks, |
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> greg k-h |
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-- |
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Regards, |
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Roy Bamford |
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(Neddyseagoon) a member of |
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elections |
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gentoo-ops |
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forum-mods |
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trustees |