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From: Luca Barbato <lu_zero@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 05:20:36
Message-Id: 51946CA9.5060408@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users by Tom Wijsman
1 On 05/15/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
2 > On Wed, 15 May 2013 17:03:13 +0200
3 > Luca Barbato <lu_zero@g.o> wrote:
4 >
5 >> On 05/15/2013 03:41 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
6 >>> ... GNOME ...
7 >>
8 >> And given that the end-plan according to the guys is to kill the
9 >> distributions shall we just close Gentoo now?
10 >
11 > Let's not exaggerate things, there are a ton of other DEs out there;
12 > are all of them starting to depend on systemd specific features?
13
14 Luckily not, yet _that_'s what is in the roadmap apparently.
15
16 > Whether or not it is terrible, it is a time sink; is it worth doing it?
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18 For any non-linux, less-than-3.x-linux, non-glibc system user probably.
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20 > Indeed, the goal here is solely to make "systemd more accessible"; we
21 > shouldn't pursue it to be the main init system or force it upon users,
22 > unless there are indicators in the future that it became better (eg.
23 > supports BSD, ...) for everyone.
24
25 And that has my support, there is disagreement on what that entitles.
26
27 > Used GNOME for months, then with 3.6 - 3.8 it started to break on me;
28 > it didn't work on either OpenRC or systemd. While I was a happy user at
29 > first, recent events made me lose interest in it; I think a discussion
30 > regarding init systems and similar software shouldn't be focused on a
31 > single DE, so I too am not sure why focus is laid on GNOME here...
32
33 Since it is the DE forcing all those changes down distribution throats.
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35 lu