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From: Joshua Kinard <kumba@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:16:29
Message-Id: 4E76FA06.8000409@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr by Nirbheek Chauhan
On 09/18/2011 13:26, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:

> > I don't see how this is relevant to the problem of udev and /usr at > all. Unless you want to go back to the days of devfs and lots of > manual configuration. :)
Me either (somewhat). But I do see is this: If udev is going to make it a requirement that one or more paritions be available at udevd start time, then maybe going back to devfs might not be such a bad idea after all. I use plain vanilla setups on almost any Linux box I build. For x86, LILO (yes, that thing), a simple kernel, most hardware built in, some extraneous stuff built as modules. sysvinit for the init package, /{usr,home,var,tmp} on separate partitions, no X11, no gnome, no KDE, no Xfce, no fluxbox, no IRIS Indigo, no aewm++, no CDE, no DBUS, no audio support (the machine doesn't even have an audio card), headless (except with it messes up, which is very rare), etc. I.e., I run my box like a server. My MIPS systems (the working ones, anyways) are even more vanilla. I netboot each of them off my x86 box versus using a bootloader, they have what amounts to a minimal Gentoo install, system + plus other utilities, definitely no X11, etc. These setups are pretty much plain vanilla Linux/UNIX setups, and it's what has worked for years, so I don't see a need to change it with a permanence. If other distros want to create alternatives, that is fine. But *I* should retain the choice to use or not to use those alternatives. That means, udev needs to be configurable enough to allow me to make it _not_ require /usr being available. Let the default be the other way -- that's fine. But if udev upstream is taking *away* choice, and making /usr mandatory (especially if it's because some other distro has this offbeat, utopian, überDesktop concept), then that's a bug and someone needs to write a patch and send it upstream. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@g.o 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

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Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr Alec Warner <antarus@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr "Michał Górny" <mgorny@g.o>