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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:08:25
Message-Id: CAGfcS_=eZ_3P1TN=OA4wLBAVDxuvUdYV-Kwc46Dy_k2=QPtdXA@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! by Richard Yao
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Richard Yao <ryao@×××××××××××××.edu> wrote:
> > I proposed a way that this could work with no effort on the part of the > Gentoo developers in one of my earlier emails: >
Then go ahead and make it happen. If as you say no dev participation is needed there is nothing Gentoo needs to do to support this. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Greg KH <gregkh@g.o> wrote:
> > We aren't Debian here people, we don't support "everything" :) > > If you want to support both, great, feel free to step up and do the > work. >
Gentoo is about choice, but it is largely about the choices that people are willing to step up and maintain. A few months ago there was a big thread and lots of devs said that systemd isn't supported on Gentoo. Some devs stepped up and decided to maintain it and now I'd say systemd is about as supported on Gentoo as Prefix, FreeBSD, Sparc, or MIPS. That didn't happen because of mailing list persuasion - it happened because a few people interested in making it happen wrote a bunch of ebuilds. How do systemd units end up in various packages? The people interested in seeing them write good-quality patches and submit bugs, or otherwise work with the maintainers to commit them. For those who don't like the current direction, by all means create an overlay called udev-root, mdev-boot, noinitramfs, or whatever. You don't need anybody's permission to do it - just go on github and make it happen. Write some good code. There are several devs here who might even help you out with it, and nobody here is going to object to packages going into the main tree as long as they're maintained in accordance with Gentoo QA. Create some USE flags where you need tie-ins to other system packages and as long as everything behaves nicely and patches are good and maintained, I'm sure the package maintainers will accept them. Gentoo already gives its users a lot of choice, but it can only offer the choices that people are willing to maintain. Right now I see a lot of complaining and not a lot of maintaining. When I see a package lastrited I don't moan about it - I either sigh or sign up to maintain it. By all means make suggestions to improve the transition or write docs, but simply posting on this list isn't likely to change the direction the linux winds are blowing. The forces involved are much larger than Gentoo. Rich

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Subject Author
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! Zac Medico <zmedico@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! Richard Yao <ryao@×××××××××××××.edu>
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@×××××.com>