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On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Sebastian Pipping <sping@g.o> wrote: |
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> Hello! |
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> Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. |
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> As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the |
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> atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. |
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> I have searched a few places for rules on tone, looking at the Gentoo |
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> Social Contract [1], the Code of Conduct [2] and the Philosophy of |
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> Gentoo [3]. In a way the Code of Conduct defines what good and bad |
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> behavior is. The term "Acceptable behaviour" may make sense as a |
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> counterpart to "Unacceptable behaviour" but feels like "what you can get |
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> away with" to me anyhow. |
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We had enumerated bad behavior in the past and people walked the line |
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(Ciaran is a good example; but there were others.) |
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We had a rather open policy where DevRel had leeway to 'take necessary |
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action' and community members cried out for abuse due to lack of |
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transparency. |
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We had COC enforcers that would attempt to moderate mailing list traffic. |
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I don't think any of these were a raging success. I like the open |
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policy one because I think it makes DevRel's job easier and the buck |
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needs to stop somewhere. Here is a hint; if you want to stay on as a |
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developer; don't piss of HR (or infra, or probably a number of other |
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groups that could make your life hell.) |
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> What is surprising me: |
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> - How come tone is so rough when we actually meant to be |
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> a friendly community? Has it always been that way? |
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I don't see the tone as tough; but you have to understand that I work |
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with a bunch of socially inept engineers on a daily basis. People |
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writing dumb crap in email is something that happens every day. I |
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think a lot of the 'bad' threads people just reply to email every 5-10 |
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minutes (I used to do this years ago...) Stop reading email that |
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often. Reply to a thread once a day. If you need to converse in real |
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time you can use jabber or irc or whatever. You tend to reach a |
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logical consensus quicker over chat than over email. |
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Avoid people you know you interact badly with. Do Not Feed The |
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Trolls. I remember at work often I'd be dragged into a thread with |
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one of the Ganeti guys; he would complain about how cfengine was |
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awesome and puppet was crap. I tended to stop replying to that guy |
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when that subject came up (he is a nice fellow; but holy lord the |
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puppet vs cfengine debate could rage forever.) |
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> - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel |
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> is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? |
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Probably because DevRel is small. If the community expects people to |
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act a certain way I'd expect 'the community' to call people on it; not |
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necessarily just DevRel. |
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> Could it be we expect perfection from each other instead seeking to |
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> understand and complement each other? What can we do to make Gentoo a |
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> friendlier community? |
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I haven't seen the crazy crap on the lists that was present in |
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2007-2008 so I'm actually fairly happy with the current style. I'd |
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love to throw around more compliments but I tend to compliment people |
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by using their software and sending them patches...or making fun of |
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them on IRC, either way. |
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> Thanks for your interest, |
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> Sebastian |
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> [1] http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/contract.xml |
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> [2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml |
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> [3] http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/philosophy.xml |
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