Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

[Samuli Suominen]

On 19/11/12 16:59, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 09:39:59AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Joshua Kinard <kumba@g.o> wrote:
>>> Correct me if wrong, but didn't the issue start with udev wanting to put the
>>> PCI ID database/file into /usr/share from /etc?
>>
>> Well, I can't vouch for what the first issue that arose was, but I do
>> recall discussion that bluetooth keyboards also required libraries in
>> /usr.
>>
>> Right now it takes less common situations to trigger problems with a
>> separate /usr, but the general trend is not favorable.  It isn't just
>> software changes either - if I told somebody 15 years ago that USB
>> keyboards were going to be problematic but standard PS2 keyboards
>> would always work just fine, they'd say there was nothing to worry
>> about since PS2 keyboards would always be around.  For all we know in
>> 5 years you won't be able to buy a USB keyboard.
>>
>> So, udev has been pushing things along to some extent, but the problem
>> is definitely bigger than udev.
>
> I'm glad someone else on this list finally realizes that udev did not break
> separate /usr on its own. I've been trying to explain this to people
> here for ages.
>
> It isn't just programs that use libraries in /usr/lib that are broken.
> Any program in early boot that tries to access data files in /usr/share
> before /usr is mounted is broken, so for example, locales do not
> work before /usr is mounted.

Indeed.

I've opened a bug[1] for sys-apps/portage to gain QA check for cross / 
vs. /usr linking because the situation is out of control.

Help is required for writing the patch for the bug (!!!)

[1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=443590