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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: |
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> Mike Auty <ikelos@g.o> wrote: |
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>> I'm quite happy to continue working in a friendly helpful environment, |
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>> where simple questions are most often met with patient answers and |
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>> people are given the chance to learn, improve and help out where they |
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>> can. I'm happy to keep quietly maintaining my ebuilds and let the |
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>> people whose packages I package come up with the new stuff. You don't |
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>> seem to be, so perhaps this isn't the right place for you to |
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>> contribute? ~ If you do want to contribute, perhaps you could |
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>> consider the environment you're working in, and be more accommodating |
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>> to it rather than fighting against it? |
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> |
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> The environment is a large part of Gentoo's problem. The focus needs |
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> to be taken away from the 'community' (where community means a bunch of |
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> Ubuntu users who make lots of noise on the forums) and put back into |
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> delivering a decent distribution. |
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> |
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But people will never agree on where to draw that line. While Mike wants |
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"a friendly helpful environment, where simple questions are most often |
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met with patient answers and people are given the chance to learn, |
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improve and help out where they can", you want everybody to be 100% |
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proficient. |
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Now, here's the point: if only those people ever spoke who are 100% sure |
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that they're 100% proficient, there would probably be only 1-2 people |
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left to discuss an issue. That is not just shutting out "a bunch of |
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Ubuntu users who make lots of noise on the forums" (I don't think that's |
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an adequate definition for 'community', btw), but also lots of |
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experienced users and actually most of Gentoo's developers. |
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Additionally, you can have such a discussion in private. |
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You say you're trying to improve Gentoo. Fine. You say you want to do |
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this fast. Fine as well. But you have to realize that fast won't work |
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without support from your user base. |
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After all, most Gentoo users aren't here to just to use the great |
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package manager. They want to understand their system. (If they didn't, |
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they were off to use Ubuntu/... anyway.) |
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But now here you come, saying "Great new feature, has to be that way, |
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won't explain to all of you uninformed people." I don't want you to |
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explain every bit. But if someone raises a concern or has a question |
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(and I expect him to have thought about what he's saying before doing |
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so), you just continue acting like that. So, how can you possibly expect |
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any support? |
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