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From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@×××.net>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Portage sets support Was: Defaulting for debug information in profiles
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:28:01
Message-Id: pan.2012.12.18.08.26.53@cox.net
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Defaulting for debug information in profiles by Zac Medico
1 Zac Medico posted on Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:31:24 -0800 as excerpted:
2
3 > On 12/17/2012 09:59 PM, Duncan wrote:
4
5 >> [1] I long ago filed a bug suggesting a new world-sets line for
6 >> depclean,
7 >> but I expect it'll be resolved/fixed about the time sets support
8 >> finally gets unmasked to ~arch, the status of which looks about like
9 >> the tree's git conversion status... in practice, target "bluesky". I
10 >> guess these are gentoo's Duke Nukem' Forever projects.
11 >
12 > Fixed now:
13 >
14 > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=298298
15 >
16 > It was a lot easier than the git conversion. ;-p
17
18 Hurray! =:^)
19
20 FWIW, I guess I wasn't as clear in my post as I was in my head, but what
21 I /intended/ to compare to the git conversion was sets support in at
22 least ~arch-unmasked portage. I've been eagerly awaiting both the git
23 tree conversion and sets support that ordinary users (at least in ~arch)
24 can use without unmasking, but both are complicated as much by the
25 political issues as the technical ones, so it's not as simple as just
26 hammering down on the technical issues and getting it done; the political
27 issues simply take /time/.
28
29 This particular bug was taking some time too, but I wasn't worried about
30 it since I knew I was using a masked portage and it was n/a everywhere
31 else. I figured it'd be fixed eventually, as I said, about the time sets
32 support got unmasked to ~arch.
33
34 But with luck, that's about to happen too, and I was right. Should I be
35 on the lookout for flying pigs too? =:^)
36
37 Seriously, from your perspective, what /is/ the status on ~arch sets
38 support? I know I've not had any technical issues in that regard in
39 /ages/, but I believe the original political problem was that portage's
40 implementation of sets differed from that of paludis, and the idea was to
41 standardize on something that could be used by both, possibly covered by
42 PMS, so sets could be distributed in the tree, etc. And not being on the
43 PMS list and not having seen anything on it here, I'm not sure if there
44 has been any movement at all in that regard or not. And if not, is it
45 even practical to thing it could still happen? And if standardization
46 isn't practical, will the feature eventually be introduced, or dropped,
47 and if the plan is still to introduce it, is it something you believe you
48 can do right away as a portage update, or do you believe you need council
49 blessing for it, or?
50
51 I guess if you're bothering to commit depclean summary changes to support
52 sets, as you just did, the feature isn't on the cutting block yet, which
53 is a good sign, but I'd still like to be able to share sets with people
54 without worrying about explaining the concept and that support for it is
55 available but is still masked, every time. Is that something that I can
56 realistically expect to be able to do by say, the end of 2013, or not?
57
58 As the slogan goes, "Enquiring minds want to know!" =:^)
59
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62 "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
63 and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman

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