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From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@×××.net>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:39:31
Message-Id: pan.2007.07.17.09.36.10@cox.net
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes by Thomas Tuttle
1 "Thomas Tuttle" <gentoo@×××××××.net> posted
2 1184604111.15155.1200413171@×××××××××××××××××××××××.com, excerpted below,
3 on Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:41:51 -0400:
4
5 > On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:54:44 -0400, "Daniel Drake" <dsd@g.o>
6 > said:
7 >> I do like the "gentoo-politics" idea that came up a few weeks ago,
8 >> which was to move politics off gentoo-dev and to another list, but I'd
9 >> view it from another perspective (and avoid the words 'politics'): make
10 >> gentoo-dev for development topics only, and have another list for the
11 >> rest. But, I suspect we'd come back to the same problem on both lists,
12 >> where some people are too keen to talk and deviate too far away from
13 >> technical discussion.
14 >
15 > On IRC, when a conversation wanders offtopic, one of the ops just nudges
16 > the participants and says "hey, you should move your conversation to
17 > #gentoo-foo" (or "##foo" or whatever). Wouldn't it be easy enough for
18 > someone to do that here? It'd be pretty easy to specify what's on- and
19 > off-topic for each list, and it would be friendlier than moderation,
20 > just like it's friendlier for IRC ops to ask you nicely to switch
21 > channels than to simply kick you out.
22
23 That's what I'm hoping/praying/fingering-the-rosary will happen when
24 -project gets off the ground (and we now have a declaration of intent
25 from infra, and still no direct opposition to /just/ adding the list,
26 that I've seen).
27
28 The frustration I've had and I expect others have had as well, is that
29 currently there's no really appropriate place to push folks to. When
30 project gets up and running, that'll change, and I'm REALLY hoping
31 there'll be overwhelming buy-in from everyone into /doing/ that nudging.
32 I know I'd not have an objection if told a post of mine belonged there,
33 particularly if it was obvious anyone else, devs or not, would get the
34 same treatment for a similar post. Just now, there's nowhere to go, so
35 I'd consider an objection legitimate -- and have in fact made a couple
36 such objections in the past.
37
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40 "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
41 and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
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