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On 06/16/2010 09:18 PM, Alec Warner wrote: |
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> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@×××××.de> wrote: |
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>> On 06/16/2010 08:43 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: |
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>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 |
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>>> Sebastian Pipping<sping@g.o> wrote: |
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>>>> Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. |
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>>>> As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the |
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>>>> atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. |
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>>> That's a conclusion first, then a premise? |
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>>>> I have searched a few places for rules on tone, looking at the Gentoo |
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>>>> Social Contract [1], the Code of Conduct [2] and the Philosophy of |
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>>>> Gentoo [3]. In a way the Code of Conduct defines what good and bad |
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>>>> behavior is. The term "Acceptable behaviour" may make sense as a |
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>>>> counterpart to "Unacceptable behaviour" but feels like "what you can |
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>>>> get away with" to me anyhow. |
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>>> |
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>>>> - How come tone is so rough when we actually meant to be |
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>>>> a friendly community? Has it always been that way? |
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>>> What are you referring to? forums.g.o? bugs.g.o? #gentoo? Who, where, |
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>>> when, what channel, thread? |
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>>> |
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>>>> - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel |
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>>>> is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? |
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>>> |
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>>> When did you point this out to devrel? |
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>>> [... snip ...] |
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>> Those replies are a good example of the rude behavior the poster is |
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>> referring to. The replies consisted of sarcastic questions in "you're an |
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>> idiot" style. The only thing they do is trying to trigger a hostile |
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>> response from the poster. |
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> Don't read so much between Jer's words. The tone of the reply could |
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> certainly use improvement but I do not think his questions were meant |
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> to be sarcastic at all or imply the poster was an idiot. The only |
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> thing Jer was trying to 'trigger' is a response with some evidence of |
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> 'bad tone' so we can continue the discussion. I don't think a hostile |
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> reply was intended at all. |
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It's the overall tone that isn't nice. Usually, when someone posts |
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something, lots of people reply with sarcastic-looking "you're wrong, |
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prove it or gtfo" replies. Even if the OP is wrong, that's not the way |
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to tell him that. If you want to be constructive, you should include |
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the reasons of why you thing he's wrong in your reply, or ask him to |
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elaborate more. |
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Just look at some threads where lots of developers were fighting each |
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other and track down the first post that triggered the flame; it's |
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usually of the "proof or gtfo" sort. It's bound to annoy the poster and |
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make him get hostile even if his original intentions were anything but |
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hostile. |