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On 7/19/07, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@×××.net> wrote: |
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> joshua jackson <tsunam@g.o> posted 46A0DE7B.6030009@g.o, |
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> excerpted below, on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:10:35 -0700: |
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> > Honestly..this is not something to get picky over jakub. Upstream was |
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> > nice and actually came and politely asked us to change the defaults to |
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> > what most people would consider sane (all protocols by default). As I |
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> > think most people emerging pidgin..would like to use any protocol by |
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> > default..not go..hey I don't have yahoo, I should check my use flags. |
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> > Which obviously hasn't happened as users pop up in #pidgin to ask why |
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> > the heck there isn't a yahoo account available. |
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This is precisely my point, glad to hear it's gotten across to someone. |
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> [Dev-discussion, so kept posted here.] |
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> I've not seen this question come up yet, so I'll raise it. |
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> Shouldn't the question really depend on whether optional dependencies are |
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> pulled in by the protocols or not? If everything's pidgin internal, then |
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> if upstream wants all the protocols on as shipped, I think that's the |
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> sane thing to do. |
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> OTOH, if enabling those protocols pulls in all sorts of additional |
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> packages to support them, shipping with everything on just because it's |
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> possible is not the Gentoo way. That's what USE flags are for. If |
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> indeed additional dependencies are pulled in, IMO the USE flags should |
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> remain, |
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Yes there would be a few other small supporting packages. They, at |
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most, would use a few extra 100K of RAM and a small amount of disk |
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space. Considering that pidgin is a GTK+ application, it would imply |
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someone is running X and thus can afford to use a little extra RAM |
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being used. They are small packages and would probably take less than |
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a minute or two of extra compile time. Considering that Pidgin takes |
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about 5-10 minutes to compile give or take, this is negligible. |
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>and maybe someone needs to explain the Gentoo way to upstream. |
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I agree with the Gentoo way in most cases, hence why I use Gentoo. |
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But in this case the Gentoo way fails. It creates more problems than |
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it solves. Like was mentioned above, if people read ewarns or ran -pv |
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we wouldn't be having this problem, but most don't. Unfortunately, |
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their negligence becomes our headache and this is what I'm trying to |
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solve. I don't think the drawbacks of installing a few extra packages |
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for the greater good of less headaches for both users and upstream are |
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worth not making this change. |
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Once again thank you for your time, |
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Eric |
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> Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. |
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> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- |
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