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On Wednesday 04 November 2009 01:11:39 Ryan Hill wrote: |
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> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:28:57 +0100 |
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> Patrick Lauer <patrick@g.o> wrote: |
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> > And then why bother when the tree doesn't reflect PMS. |
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> Maybe if some people would stop ignoring PMS on whim because they don't |
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> agree with something in it this wouldn't be the case. |
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Well, we have at least one prior discussion and a year of precedent on the |
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bash 3.0 / 3.2 thing. Since there were no sanctions for doing it, there's no |
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way to break things with it (because you have a recent enough bash guaranteed) |
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and it is very convenient people started using it. |
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After a year of use (and getting used more and more) I just don't see how any |
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sane person can think about forbidding it NOW. It's too late. We've moved on. |
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You missed your chance. |
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FEATURES has been used in ebuilds for a loooong time. People were happy with |
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it. The only reason it was not properly documented in PMS was because the |
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authors didn't agree with it. That's not how you do a standard, but then it |
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never was about documenting reality. Now PMS has this hole in it, and instead |
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of (1) documenting current behaviour and (2) agreeing on a standard behaviour |
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while (3) keeping the historical errata documented ... well, it's kinda, look |
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over there ... *runs away* |
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Not a way to discuss or write a standard, also making things complicated when |
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there are known easy ways to fix it. |
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> Like, when does this end? Whenever there's a policy you don't agree with, |
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> you do whatever you want? And it's the policy that's the problem? |
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Well, if everyone else freely ignores it and pointing out that people |
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violating the policy has no response I'll consider that policy inactive. |
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If the Gentoo developers vote with their feet I'm not going to pretend they |
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didn't. What you can do then is document what just happened ... maybe ... |
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optionally? |
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> Anyways, this has nothing to do with PMS. Using FEATURES in the tree was |
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> frowned upon long before it even existed. The fact that it wasn't |
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> documented as such outside of mailing lists and bug reports is the real |
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> bug. |
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And that usage was tolerated for >2 years. I still don't see what's bad about |
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using things as they are, but if people now decide that we need to do complex |
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dances instead of fixing things I'll just grab a camera and tape it instead of |
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complaining. Life is too short to get worked up about such things :) |