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On 11/18/2012 10:06 PM, Greg KH wrote: |
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> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 08:50:07PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: |
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> It's a bizarre development model, I know. :) |
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Works better than Windows' model: |
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http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html |
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(Okay, old, and I know MS has since fixed this, but it's still funny) |
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>>> Note, a separate /usr has been broken for a while now, udev is just |
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>>> pointing the issue out. And again, if you want a separate /usr, just |
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>>> use an initrd, the solution is simple. |
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>> ???? I have 4 "broken" Gentoo systems running just fine, without an |
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>> initrd, thank you. There have always been a few edge-case setups that |
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>> won't work with a separate /usr, without an initrd. What annoys me is |
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>> this dog-in-the-manger attitude that if a separate /usr is broken for a |
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>> few people, then by golly, it should be broken for everybody. |
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> Again, udev isn't the problem here. It hasn't broken the standalone |
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> /usr issue at all. There isn't anything in udev to change for this. I |
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> don't understand why you are thinking that udev has anything to do with |
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> this issue at all. It's other packages that are the problem here. Are |
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> people forking and changing them to resolve the problem? If not, why |
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> not? |
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Correct me if wrong, but didn't the issue start with udev wanting to put the |
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PCI ID database/file into /usr/share from /etc? Then kmod was changed to |
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link against libs in /usr/lib, and then udev made dependent on kmod? I |
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think that led to a scenario where openrc starts udev up before localmount |
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has run, and then things fall apart. |
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Not that I'm saying that implicates udev as the center of the sep-usr thing, |
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but if my memory is correct, that's kinda what got the ball rolling down the |
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hill. Or something close to it, anyways. |
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In any event, I did the switch to mdev, and it works. It is a hack, though, |
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I'll admit that. But if you're one of those types that runs a fairly |
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vanilla, not-very-fancy system that has had a separate /usr for a number of |
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years (2005 for most of my machines), it's a relatively painless transition |
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and it doesn't require the initramfs and it avoids having to |
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backup/format/restore each system. Obviously, if I need more advanced |
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functionality on any of my systems, I'll probably have to switch back, but |
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we'll see what the future holds. |
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Joshua Kinard |
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Gentoo/MIPS |
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kumba@g.o |
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4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 |
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"The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And |
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our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between." |
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--Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic |
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