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On 05/29/2012 05:23 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:57 AM, hasufell <hasufell@g.o> |
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>> I am against too many defaults. It's documented and people can |
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>> activate it. I'm already annoyed by pre-set stuff like "cups" in |
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>> releases/make.defaults. |
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> While universal agreement is a bit much to hope for, I just wanted |
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> to point out that fewer defaults is really just an illusion. |
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> There is ALWAYS a default, anytime you have an option. The |
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> default might be one thing, or it might be another, but there is |
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> ALWAYS a default. My thinking is that our defaults should |
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> generally reflect the most mainstream or least-surprising behavior, |
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> especially where there are upstream projects. in the case of |
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> portage, we are the upstream, so we should do whatever is most |
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> useful and least obnoxious to our users. |
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> If you're running something other than a generic desktop/server, |
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> there will always be a need to tweak things. |
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> Rich |
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Well then let my clarify: I'm against too many pre-set (meaning |
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"activated") features/useflags. |
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That's probably a seperate discussion, but I myself would expect the |
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_default_ profile/config to have almost nothing activated. No |
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useflags, no features etc. |
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That may imply that this default is "broken", but it takes more time |
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to do reverse-configuration while looking for things that someone |
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considered "sane" and has set for your "convenience". |
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I discovered this the first time I set up a blank chroot and got a |
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load of stuff pulled in by some trivial emerges. Some set by already |
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mentioned releases/make.defaults and similar, some set by ebuilds etc. |
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What you do with other profiles is a completely different topic, |
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because I'm not forced to use them. |
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means: I don't like the fact that I have to set |
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FEATURES="-foobar" |
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or |
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USE="-foobar" |
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That should almost never be the case (unless I set some globally and |
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unset some locally or use desktop-profiles etc). |
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am I offtopic already? Hope you got the point though. |
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