Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for November

[Chris Gianelloni]

On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 01:35 -0800, Peter Gordon wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 08:40 +0000, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even
> > vote on, let us know !  Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole
> > Gentoo dev list to see.
>
> I have one item that I would like to see addressed in the next possible
> council meeting: The reply behavior of gentoo-core messages. What's
> happening is that gentoo-core appears to have no default Reply-To header
> set.

Ehh... this is not something that we should be deciding.  This *should*
be up to Infrastructure.  They've made a decision, you just don't happen
to like it.  Well, I know that we're going to back Infrastructure.
Their current position is that this isn't going to change, and I support
that.  Were it left up to me, I'd say quit abusing Reply-To on every
list.

Now, there's three options.

#1. Learn to use your mailer correctly, or switch to a mailer that
doesn't suck.  Since people are rabid about the software they use and
how they use it, I see this one as the least likely to happen.

#2.  Add Reply-to to -core via .procmailrc:

:0 fhw
* ^List-Id:.*gentoo-core\.gentoo\.org
|formail -I 'reply-to: gentoo-core@l.g.o'

#3.  Remove Reply-to from all the other lists via .procmailrc:

:0 fhw
* ^List-Id:.*gentoo.org
| formail -I "Reply-To:"

Now you aren't forcing anything on anyone.  Everyone is capable of
customizing their own environment.  Use this empowerment to make things
work how you want and quit trying to push your own agenda on everyone
else.

> Secondly, every other Gentoo mailing list that I am subscribed to
> (g-dev, g-devrel, g-gwn) adds a Reply-To header which instructs the
> dev's MUA to default to replying to the list address, rather than to the
> individual sender of the message to which they reply. Unfortunately,
> gentoo-core is the only list which does not follow this behavior.

Umm... bullshit.  The gentoo-gwn list doesn't set Reply-to to anything.
Instead, it is *my* responsibility to set Reply-to to the gwn-feedback
alias (not the list) to replies.  This is the correct behavior and use
of Reply-to and why Reply-to munging on mailing lists sucks to badly.  I
CAN NOT set Reply-to on this list to a location where I want to receive
replies.

Now, Andrea has explained his position on this, and while I do not agree
with him, I do support him.  In other words, so long as he wants it to
remain the way it is, I'll support it, and use procmail to make the
system work the way I want it for myself.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation