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From: William Hubbs <williamh@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Cc: vapier@g.o, aballier@g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 00/21] gen_usr_ldscript: migrate away from a sep-/usr by default
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2016 18:01:57
Message-Id: 20160402180139.GA867@linux1
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 00/21] gen_usr_ldscript: migrate away from a sep-/usr by default by William Hubbs
1 On Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 12:35:58PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
2 > On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 09:36:56PM +0200, Alexis Ballier wrote:
3 > > On Friday, April 1, 2016 8:33:02 PM CEST, Mike Frysinger wrote:
4 > > > On 01 Apr 2016 20:00, Alexis Ballier wrote:
5 > > >> On Friday, April 1, 2016 3:58:18 AM CEST, Mike Frysinger wrote:
6 > > >>>> ...
7 > > >>> "being supported" != "enabled by default". so no, i still don't see any
8 > > >>> requirement in anything you've cited that this be turned on
9 > > >>> by default. ...
10 > > >>
11 > > >> you're right, but you know, before you claimed the contrary of what was
12 > > >> voted and then decided to argue whether a 4 years old council decision
13 > > >> applies or not here, my point was, and still is, that such council
14 > > >> decisions make me think you're confusing what *you* want and
15 > > >> what *we* (as
16 > > >> a project) want for this case
17 > > >
18 > > > i see no significant number of people clamoring for this as the default.
19 > > > the bug that started this has everyone on board for changing the default.
20 > >
21 > > yes; I also tend to think fedora's usr move is what makes most sense
22 > > nowadays, but that'd go against council
23 >
24 > No, it wouldn't. We made a decision in 2013 (I'll have to find it) that
25 > separate /usr should only be supported via initramfs; there is also a
26 > news item warning that if you are not using initramfs and you have
27 > separate /usr your system will be unbootable in the future.
28
29 Here are the latest council decision on the matter [1] and news item [2].
30 At this point, if anyone who has split /usr isn't using initramfs,
31 they are operating on borrowed time.
32
33 I would agree, since it has been so long, that we should do another news
34 item, but once the news item is done and we give a firm date, I think
35 we should just kill off gen_usr_ldscript.
36
37 The /usr merge is a separate issue, which I agree with as well, but that
38 was never brought to council, and it is controversial in the Gentoo camp
39 because some folks claim fhs doesn't allow it.
40
41 William
42
43 [1]
44 https://projects.gentoo.org/council/meeting-logs/20130924-summary.txt
45 [2]
46 https://gitweb.gentoo.org/data/gentoo-news.git/plain/2013-09-27-initramfs-required/2013-09-27-initramfs-required.en.txt

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