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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev <gentoo-dev@l.g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 19:02:09
Message-Id: CAGfcS_myWTYmqNb7WNhf6-5MvzOUO6y_rDcw2hB=ekpjTfPZNg@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users by Tom Wijsman
1 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Tom Wijsman <TomWij@g.o> wrote:
2 > On Wed, 15 May 2013 13:25:11 -0400
3 > Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
4 >
5 >> In any case, there really isn't any "decision" to make here.
6 >
7 > Then for what purpose is this discussion still going on?
8 >
9
10 No comment on that...
11
12 Maybe another way of saying things is that really the onus is on those
13 who want others to change their behavior to explain why they should
14 change. So, if you're seeking a change in behavior be up-front about
15 what change you want. If you're not seeking a change in behavior,
16 then there really isn't much point in going on unless it is to resist
17 a proposed change.
18
19 Personally I think a reasonable balance is:
20
21 1. Maintainers do not have to take initiative to create systemd
22 units. (status quo)
23 2. Maintainers should accept contributed units from the community,
24 even if they can't personally test them. This can be done at their
25 convenience. (slight addition in work for maintainers)
26 3. Maintainers can ask users to contribute units upstream if not
27 already done. I don't think this should be a hard requirement (ie
28 accepting a non-upstreamed unit is not a QA violation). If upstream
29 makes this difficult this should not be an excuse for marking bugs
30 invalid. The goal is to work with upstream, not harass them. (some
31 more work for bug submitters and maintainers).
32
33 Bottom line - maintainers don't have to go out of their way to support
34 systemd, but they should be friendly facilitators when others are
35 willing to do the work. This is no different from accepting desktop
36 entries and such even if you don't use a Freedesktop-compatible
37 environment.
38
39 Rich

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