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On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 00:30:10 -0600 |
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Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> Hi. TL;DR, this is basically just a THANK YOU to the Gentoo devs, so |
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> you can go on your daily business if you don't want to read the rest |
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> of it. No biggie. |
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Hi. |
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> I just want to say THANK YOU to all of our Gentoo developers. I've |
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> been using Gentoo since ca. 2002 (damn, that's more than a decade), |
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> and I've seen a lot of flamewars and bikeshedding on the -dev mailing |
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> list. |
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Have you seen this one? |
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It's a bike with flames; or well, if you can make that out of it. You |
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can very well interpret it to be something else, maybe it looks like |
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glasses or so with something on the side, I'm fine with that too. Maybe |
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wearing this glasses would then make you be able to see the flames bike. |
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Isn't Gentoo all about flamewars (a flame thrower burns things fast; |
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we're wanting our system to be good at doing things fast, similar) and |
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bikeshedding (we all want things our own way, which makes Gentoo what |
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it is; a lot of possibilities giving you a lot of choice) anyway? |
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> However, you guys get the job done, and although there are some things |
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> that I would like to have sooner (or would have liked to have |
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> earlier), in the end the people working keep pushing the necessary |
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> changes so the distribution keeps going, and (if so desired) using new |
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> and interesting technologies. |
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Which things would you like to see sooner? |
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> More importantly, the developers and the bureaucratic structures they |
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> have created don't get (too much) in the way of individual or small |
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> groups of developers pushing for progress. In general at least; there |
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> will be always someone resisting change, but in general Gentoo keeps |
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> advancing, and the council and the other bureaucratic structures don't |
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> punish people for just wanting to have more new and cool features in |
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> the distribution. |
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It's a recipe for success I think; but we're not aiming for that as far |
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as I know, or maybe some do (*shhh* Don't tell anyone that I or we do.), |
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but as has came up once by someone, I think in the thread about |
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automatically collecting information (eg. build logs) from users, |
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Gentoo is there to just fulfill it for people whom have the need to it. |
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Realistically I don't see Gentoo become a large distribution; or at |
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least not by just doing what we're doing, however, we might see more |
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people become interested in it. Who knows one day everyone needs it? |
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> I've never said Thank You to all our developers in all these years |
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> using Gentoo, |
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Thank you too. :) |
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> but after seeing the discussion the Debian CTTE is having related to |
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> the default init they should use[1][2][3] (including bureaucratic |
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> maneuvers, dilatory tactics, legalese interpretation of their |
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> rulings, etc.), I think the time is long overdue for me to do it. |
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Well, this makes me wonder if it is useful to have a default at all; |
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probably it is, in the context of other distros. But for us, do we |
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really need a default? I highly doubt it; we have OpenRC as a default |
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because it simply is listed first, but how much does that really mean? |
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It has come up a small few times that it might be interesting to have a |
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systemd stage3 alongside the current OpenRC stage3; doing it this way, |
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the user could pick in advance which init sytem the user wants as |
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opposed to going through a painful migration to switch. |
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> Thank you for all the work you guys do and have done. |
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> Thank you for not penalize progress. |
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> Thank you for not being so rigid. |
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> Thank you for keeping the distribution moving and evolving. |
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> And finally, just thank you. |
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> From a proud Gentoo+systemd+GNOME 3 user, thank you. |
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From a proud Gentoo+systemd+GNOME3 using developer, you're welcome. |
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With kind regards, |
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Tom Wijsman (TomWij) |
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Gentoo Developer |
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E-mail address : TomWij@g.o |
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