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From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@××××××××××.com>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 28
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:26:54
Message-Id: 20090528202643.0d763768@snowcone
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 28 by Patrick Lauer
1 On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:19:35 +0200
2 Patrick Lauer <patrick@g.o> wrote:
3 > You know, usually snipping away everything else is a bit evil because
4 > it removes context, but in this case I just want to point out one or
5 > two little pieces ...
6
7 Because you know fine well I'm right, but want to carry on trying to
8 derail progress?
9
10 > I almost feel bad for writing so many emails to this list.
11
12 Yes, please stop.
13
14 > > > For example a readonly repository would guarantee that the cache
15 > > > is always consistent.
16 > >
17 > > Until someone modifies it, yes.
18 > >
19 > Well. DUH. That's why it is readonly. Otherwise it wouldn't be
20 > readonly.
21
22 And just how do you plan to enforce that? What measures will you take
23 to ensure that there's no way for developers or users to modify the
24 repository?
25
26 > > > > It is the best. If we're requiring EAPI before trying to parse
27 > > > > PV, all the EAPIs have to be known to do any ordering.
28 > > >
29 > > > ... and why the [censored] would we want that then?
30 > >
31 > > Because without that, we can't make changes to the version format.
32 >
33 > ... why?
34
35 Why what? Why can't we make changes, or why would we want to?
36
37 We can't make changes because the package manager needs to know the
38 EAPI in order to parse versions, since once we make changes versions
39 will be defined in terms of EAPI.
40
41 We want to make changes because, as has been stated several times
42 previously, allowing 1.1_rc1 but forbidding 1.1-rc1 is entirely silly
43 and arbitrary.
44
45 > > > It would help if you would tolerate other opinions (or even the
46 > > > possibility that other people may have opinions that do not agree
47 > > > with you).
48 > >
49 > > The only issue of opinion is whether or not .ebuild-X and .eapi-X.eb
50 > > look pretty. The rest is purely technical and entirely objective.
51 >
52 > I think I have pointed you a few times at objective statements
53 > disagreeing with your subjective opinion. I hate repeating myself.
54
55 And yet you keep ignoring the part where GLEP 55 demonstrates
56 objectively that the extension solution is better than the alternatives.
57
58 --
59 Ciaran McCreesh

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 28 Josh Saddler <nightmorph@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 28 Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 28 Patrick Lauer <patrick@g.o>