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From: Jesse Nelson <yoda@××××××.com>
To: Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@g.o>
Cc: Gentoo Developers <gentoo-dev@l.g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Redux: 2004.1 will not include a secure portage.
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:28:38
Message-Id: 20040325142837.GC31589@obi.f00bar.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Redux: 2004.1 will not include a secure portage. by Paul de Vrieze
1 <lotsa snip *i need to goto bed*)>
2
3 > Case 4:
4 > The list signing key is compromised:
5 > A security announcement needs to be made. The proposal as made by robbat2
6 > would require that users acquire in some trusted way a new list signing
7 > public key.
8
9 pull from site source (gentoo.org) or leverage exisiting fre pubkey servers or better yet.. pull from gentoo and verify with 2 or so existing free/open keyservers.
10
11 > In my idea with a master and a list signing key (or multiple ones for
12 > different machines), the master key would be able to prove that the new
13 > list signing key is valid. As the list signing key is shortlived it
14 > would also be less advantageous to compromise the list.
15
16 assuming the master key is trusted. and not in itself compromised
17
18 >
19 > (we could have devrel people monitor the changes to the contents of the
20 > list so a compromise to the list signing key is easilly detected)
21 >
22 > Case 5:
23 > The master key (in my proposal) is compromised:
24 > This would suck big time. However as this master key is infrequently
25 > (especially with an intermediate key) used it can be secured by storing
26 > it on a usb key (and available to only a few people) which is only used
27 > when signing keys need to be signed.
28
29 this is the biggest weaknes with PKI in the traditional sense. Everything comes down to 1 key or 1 set of keys. All trust is centralized. Relying on a few ppl to be "secure" with the keys isnot good imho.. People are inherantly lazy and thinking htat 99% of the time these keys wont be someplace they shouldn't be is using Faith as security, and personally i dont jib with that for a security model
30 :)
31
32 its all about mitigating risks.
33
34 <snip>
35
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