Brian Harring wrote:

> In terms of involvement in PMS, frankly it's not worth it from where
> I'm sitting due to ciarans behaviour.
>
> It's not a matter of having thicker skin- it's literally a question of
> worth.  Is it worth trying to have a voice if it means exposing
> yourself to BS behaviour?

I'll second that; it's impossible to discuss on bugzilla, as you just get
trolled or spammed. The process appears to be moving to "get discussion off
ML and onto bugzilla where it can be killed" which appears to be a
subversion of things, from where I'm sitting; I thought the idea was to
have ML discussion _before_ stuff was proposed for a new EAPI?

You know, so that alternative approaches could be considered, the problem
defined adequately, and so on, with reference to the wider, knowledgeable
readership.

As it is, we're now getting long lists of stuff dumped on to the ML as "the
new EAPI" with little review beyond a post-hoc justification that "a Gentoo
dev filed a bug asking for it."

NB: I'm happy for there to be discussion via bugzilla, but not under
ciaranm's supervision. After all, he's been proven to have issues when it
comes to social interaction, which is pretty much essential to leading a
project. And even then, I think ideas should be mooted to the list (via the
RFC mechanism?) in line with the agreed process.

The PMS list has the same problem: it's seen as ciaranm's domain, and we all
know he doesn't set a collaborative tone, but rather one of conflict, which
anyone on a clock can't be bothered with. Regrettably, if we don't get our
2c in, which is a hassle, we end up with more hassle further down the line.
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