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From: Greg KH <gregkh@g.o>
Subject: Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:22:09 -0700
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 03:08:27PM +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:04:31 -0700
> Greg KH <gregkh@g.o> wrote:
> > Not always, no, it isn't obvious that something didn't start up
> > correctly, or that it didn't fully load properly.  Some programs later
> > on recover and handle things better.
> 
> So why not work on fixing those things, since they're clearly symptoms
> of a larger "oops, we have too much coupling" problem, instead of
> forcing a workaround onto large numbers of users?

I seriously doubt there are a "large number" of users here that have
this issue.

And even if there is, again, there is a simple solution that Gentoo
provides for this issue, see the earlier initrd solution that we support
today.

As for "fixing this", see the oft-linked webpage as to why it can't be
fixed easily, if at all, and honestly, I don't think it needs to be
fixed.

Especially as NO ONE has ever stepped up to fix these issues, which
proves that no one is really invested in it.

As for "too much coupling", you are talking to the wrong person.
Personally, I feel we are too lightly coupled, and need to have stronger
links happening here in order to properly solve the problems that we
have in this area.

If you disagree with the coupling issue, fine, but again, you need to do
the work, and properly understand the issues involved.  The people doing
the work today do understand them, by virtue of doing the work involved,
which gives them the say in how it is done.  That's how open source
works, why is this ever a surprise to people?

I'll go back to lurking now, and getting stuff done, like everyone else
on this thread should be doing, instead of complaining (this is -dev,
not -users...)

greg k-h


Replies:
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
-- Maxim Kammerer
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
-- Matthew Summers
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
-- Ciaran McCreesh
References:
Re: Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181
-- William Hubbs
Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]
-- Joshua Kinard
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]
-- James Broadhead
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]
-- Joshua Kinard
Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]
-- Duncan
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
-- Joshua Kinard
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
-- Greg KH
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
-- Philip Webb
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
-- Greg KH
Re: Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
-- Ciaran McCreesh
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