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From: Thomas Sachau <tommy@g.o>
Subject: Re: Re: Moving unmaintained packages to Sunrise
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:53:03 +0200
Am 13.06.2010 22:36, schrieb Duncan:
> Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto posted on Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:26:26 +0000 as
> excerpted:
> 
>> there was a proposal to create a sunset overlay, like the java team used
>> and now kde uses as well. The purpose of this overlay would be to keep
>> the packages that are removed from the tree because they have no
>> maintainers. As was discussed back then, the people wishing to work on
>> sunrise are likely not interested in having all the removed packages
>> dumped in their shoulders. Besides, sunrise is about packages that have
>> an interested user submitting and hopefully maintaining ebuilds for new
>> packages, while sunset is likely to become a dumping ground for stuff
>> that we can't find anyone to take care of. If we want to find a way to
>> not drop the maintainer-needed packages, I'd prefer we move them to
>> sunset and not to sunrise. As this overlay is likely to become large,
>> probably "huge", and as it will host security vulnerable packages, we
>> should evaluate whether we really want to host it and, if so, what
>> measures to take to protect "distracted users". I think package masking
>> all the packages put there with links to relevant bugs might be a first
>> step.
> 
> You obviously read the proposal differently than I did.  MG can pop in and 
> say what he intended, but as I read it, and why I said "++", is...
> 
> We change the policy of sunrise, not to be a dumping ground for /all/ tree-
> cleaned packages, but to allow interested users who see that a package 
> they're interested in is unmaintained, to add it to (the unpublic part of) 
> sunrise before the package is removed and potentially before it's even 
> masked for removal, such that it can be approved and ready to "go public" 
> in sunrise at the same time it's removed (or even when masked for removal) 
> from the main tree.
> 
> So packages wouldn't be dumped there without a maintainer.  The only ones 
> that would qualify would be those where a user actively proposes to 
> maintain them in sunrise, the idea being that in some instances (as with 
> the posted example), they can be maintained better there than they can be 
> proxy-maintained in-tree.
> 
> Apparently, sunrise has been around long enough, now, that there has been 
> at least one package that started in sunrise, was added to the tree, then 
> the person who added it lost interest or retired... and now it's rotting 
> in the tree, and the same user that put it in sunrise before is still 
> interested in it and has updated ebuilds, etc, but can't easily get 
> proxies to commit the new ebuilds to the tree.  From my read, that was 
> apparently what sparked the post and whole proposed change.
> 

I think, your proposed way is already possible. The policy of sunrise is only to not dublicate
packages in main tree. If they will surely be dropped and this fact can be seen in public, e.g.
because of the announcement and mask, i have no problems with users joining #gentoo-sunrise and
maintaining that package in sunrise overlay.

You should just remember, that those, who want to add the unmaintained package to sunrise, should
also plan to maintain it there, sunrise will not become a place to move broken packages to ;-)

-- 
Thomas Sachau

Gentoo Linux Developer

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Moving unmaintained packages to Sunrise
-- Michał Górny
Re: Moving unmaintained packages to Sunrise
-- Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
Re: Moving unmaintained packages to Sunrise
-- Duncan
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