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From: Alec Warner <antarus@g.o>
Subject: Re: udev and /usr
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:25:44 -0700
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Joshua Kinard <kumba@g.o> wrote:
> On 09/18/2011 13:26, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't see how this is relevant to the problem of udev and /usr at
>> all. Unless you want to go back to the days of devfs and lots of
>> manual configuration. :)
>
>
> Me either (somewhat).  But I do see is this: If udev is going to make it a
> requirement that one or more paritions be available at udevd start time,
> then maybe going back to devfs might not be such a bad idea after all.
>
> I use plain vanilla setups on almost any Linux box I build.  For x86, LILO
> (yes, that thing), a simple kernel, most hardware built in, some extraneous
> stuff built as modules.  sysvinit for the init package, /{usr,home,var,tmp}
> on separate partitions, no X11, no gnome, no KDE, no Xfce, no fluxbox, no
> IRIS Indigo, no aewm++, no CDE, no DBUS, no audio support (the machine
> doesn't even have an audio card), headless (except with it messes up, which
> is very rare), etc.  I.e., I run my box like a server.
>
> My MIPS systems (the working ones, anyways) are even more vanilla.  I
> netboot each of them off my x86 box versus using a bootloader, they have
> what amounts to a minimal Gentoo install, system + plus other utilities,
> definitely no X11, etc.
>
> These setups are pretty much plain vanilla Linux/UNIX setups, and it's what
> has worked for years, so I don't see a need to change it with a permanence.
>  If other distros want to create alternatives, that is fine.  But *I* should
> retain the choice to use or not to use those alternatives.  That means, udev
> needs to be configurable enough to allow me to make it _not_ require /usr
> being available.  Let the default be the other way -- that's fine.
>
> But if udev upstream is taking *away* choice, and making /usr mandatory
> (especially if it's because some other distro has this offbeat, utopian,
> überDesktop concept), then that's a bug and someone needs to write a patch
> and send it upstream.

I think the list you want is
linux-hotplug-devel@...; the gentoo-dev list is not
for udev development. If 'someone' needs to write a patch then I
assume you will volunteer?

>
> --
> Joshua Kinard
> Gentoo/MIPS
> kumba@g.o
> 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28
>
> "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us.  And
> our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between."
>
> --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic
>
>


References:
udev and /usr
-- Joost Roeleveld
Re: udev and /usr
-- Luca Barbato
Re: udev and /usr
-- Joost Roeleveld
Re: udev and /usr
-- Luca Barbato
Re: udev and /usr
-- Rich Freeman
Re: udev and /usr
-- Michał Górny
Re: udev and /usr
-- Nirbheek Chauhan
Re: udev and /usr
-- Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
Re: udev and /usr
-- Nirbheek Chauhan
Re: udev and /usr
-- Joshua Kinard
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