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Am Freitag, den 26.06.2009, 07:15 -0600 schrieb Denis Dupeyron: |
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> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Ben de Groot<yngwin@g.o> wrote: |
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> > To appoint as proxy for a council meeting someone who has been booted |
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> > from Gentoo is a clear lapse of judgement, and would in my eyes |
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> > disqualify the involved council member from functioning in that position. |
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> As Petteri noted it's not obvious that GLEP39 disallows choosing a |
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> non-dev as proxy for a council meeting. I haven't talked to Tiziano, |
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> and I don't know what he had in mind when he chose ciaranm as his |
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> proxy, but I'd be ready to believe part of it was that he wanted to |
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> experiment. |
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Well, it was surely not an experiment to see whether someone must be a |
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dev or not to be a proxy. Based on GLEP 39 it was fairly clear to me |
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this must not be the case and I at least expected the council to accept |
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him (or any other non-dev) at least for that meeting. |
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When I had to choose a proxy I basically went through the list of people |
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I worked together and from which I know their opinions and they know |
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mine. That would have been: dertobi123 and maekke, one a council member |
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already, the other one unavailable at the time I looked for a proxy. |
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Then there was tanderson who wasn't sure whether he has to proxy for |
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another council member already and ciaranm who was present in most |
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meetings, knows my opinion, can distinguish between his opinion and mine |
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and worked on EAPI-3. |
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I'm sorry when I offended some council members and other developers with |
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that decision but guessing from the last discussions on #-council |
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between Ciaran and other council members I really didn't expect such an |
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animosity. |
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For the claim that Exherbo-people undercut Gentoo: I don't care about |
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what someone is doing in their freetime. I would also accept an Ubuntu |
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dev, a Red Hat developer, drobbins or even Bill Gates as a council |
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member if they'd invest enough time in Gentoo. |
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I personally don't care about Exherbo, I'm neither a dev nor a user and |
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the same thing goes for Funtoo. If nothing bad happens I will organize |
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the booth again at the next Open Expo in September (hopefully together |
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with dertobi123 and maekke), investing my personal time and money again |
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to show people what Gentoo is about and I will also continue to promote |
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Gentoo/Prefix at the University (where I'm working on a large |
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installation on a big server) and I will continue to use Gentoo for an |
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Embedded Project with hopefully over 3000 deployed systems within the |
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next two years. |
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Furthermore I only care partially about someones past. People change all |
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the time and they deserve more than one chance. If I would show the same |
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averseness to some devs I had fights with in the past as people do to |
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Ciaran I couldn't work with them now. |
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> And experiments sometimes succeed, or sometimes they fail, |
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> but they often teach you something. I wouldn't be as fast as you to |
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> remove Tiziano from the list of people I'd vote for. |
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Thanks :) |
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Tiziano Müller |
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Gentoo Linux Developer, Council Member |
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Areas of responsibility: |
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Samba, PostgreSQL, CPP, Python, sysadmin, GLEP Editor |
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E-Mail : dev-zero@g.o |
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