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From: "Olivier Crête" <tester@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:56:09
Message-Id: 1325703182.11298.5.camel@TesterTop4
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr by Marc Schiffbauer
1 On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 19:30 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
2 > * Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
3 > > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
4 > > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
5 > > > Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o> wrote:
6 > > > > /bin/systemctl
7 > > > > libdbus-1.so.3 => /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
8 > > >
9 > > > Here is a prime example of why "vertical integration" should really be
10 > > > called "a horrible mess of tight coupling"...
11 > >
12 > > You clearly have failed to realize that d-bus is a now the bus for
13 > > system messaging and is as much part of the system as syslog or bash.
14 > > Probably even more so, for example, in Fedora 17, you'll be able to boot
15 > > without syslog or bash, but you need d-bus.
16 >
17 > If this was true, we will soon have problems with linux systems that
18 > windows had in 1995.
19 >
20 > IMO a system should *always* be bootable without that "high level"
21 > stuff. And by bootable I mean that you can get a root prompt at
22 > least.
23
24 d-bus is not high-level stuff... For example, you can't use bluetooth
25 without d-bus. Even Android has it..
26
27 That said, in the new systemd world, bash is.. Since it's only a "UI"
28 tools (just like gnome-shell for example). Since you don't need it to
29 boot.
30
31
32 --
33 Olivier Crête
34 tester@g.o
35 Gentoo Developer

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr Marc Schiffbauer <mschiff@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@×××××.de>