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On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 15:52 +0200, Peter Weber wrote: |
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> First Question: Where is here the Choice_Of_Gentoo and why are we |
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> breaking with our tradition of shell-installing? |
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I love this argument. |
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What about *our* choice to not waste time building things we don't want? |
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> I would be better to offer a real Universal-CD or to creat a |
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> bootloader-script, which gives the users the possibility to start |
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> X11/GTK-Installer if they want this, not without a question. |
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Umm... "nox" works just fine. |
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See, what *you* seem to be missing is that we're trying to provide a |
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better environment for our users. The LiveCD is *not* just an |
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installation medium anymore. It is a full-fledged Gentoo environment. |
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It can be used for showcasing Gentoo, as well as system recovery *and* |
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installation. |
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> Second Question: Will there be a new Universal-CD (or a DVD) with a real |
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> Stage3 for networkless-installion? |
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No. I do plan on putting the stage3 on the next LiveDVD, but without |
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the necessary distfiles, it won't do much good for doing a completely |
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networkless installation. The simple truth is that there were way too |
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many bug reports each release about missing distfiles and other such |
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problems that made it not worth the time required to maintain for us. |
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> I think, a gentoo-user should be able to choose between the shell, |
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> ncurses- and a gtk-installer. And any of this groups should have the |
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> same possibilites to install. |
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I've actually been writing a document on how to use the installer |
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scripts from the command line (without running the installer itself) to |
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perform an install. |
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At any rate, there's *nothing* stopping someone *else* from building |
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their own Universal CD. If you need it, build it. People seem to think |
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that "choice" means "forcing developers to do what *I* want them to do |
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with *their* volunteered time". It doesn't. |
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We release our code under the GPL. We release our release-building |
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tool. We release our spec files for that tool. Anyone is capable of |
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running a few scripts to do exactly what we've done to build their own |
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"Gentoo" release. |
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Chris Gianelloni |
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Release Engineering Strategic Lead |
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Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams |
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Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee |
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Gentoo Foundation |
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